New York Police suffocate man in their custody

[Robbie Barrett]

i say good riddance.

quit resisting arrest and just relax lol.

the more you resist arrest, the more of a threat you become and excessive force will be reasonably applied.

The guy had a hood on his head and cops sat on him, there was no need to be doing ****ing push ups on his head.

[KING MEAT]

The guy was clearly not in his right mind and likely did not have the mental capacity to “relax.?

It seems excessive to me that this mentally unstable person had to be handled in such a manner to cause his death.

I honestly don’t know how the cops are supposed to handle a person who is in this kind of distress.

this crazy dude is capable of doing damage if not restraint.

i dont give a sht if hes mentally ill or not, that doesnt entitle you to special treatment. you act hostile, id like for officers to do everything in their power to keep themselves safe.

tf you gonna do? call a negotiator or a mental health professional to calm this fool down at those hours and conditions?

and as for him dying... they make themselves die. yes, you can do that. what hes doing is even morseso depriving himself of oxygen--- on purpose. all that needs to be done is to not act crazy, relax and just get booked to jail. youll be out the next day after youve calmed tf down.

[KING MEAT]

The guy had a hood on his head and cops sat on him, there was no need to be doing ****ing push ups on his head.

that hood is used in mental health institutions and prisons all the time to prevent patients/inmate from spitting their body fluids to personnel. theyre called spit hoods.



that guy could be on pcp. most likely on pcp.

[BostonGuy]

this crazy dude is capable of doing damage if not restraint.

i dont give a sht if hes mentally ill or not, that doesnt entitle you to special treatment. you act hostile, id like for officers to do everything in their power to keep themselves safe.

tf you gonna do? call a negotiator or a mental health professional to calm this fool down at those hours and conditions?

and as for him dying... they make themselves die. yes, you can do that. what hes doing is even morseso depriving himself of oxygen--- on purpose. all that needs to be done is to not act crazy, relax and just get booked to jail. youll be out the next day after youve calmed tf down.

Can he be sedated? That might actually cause death as well.

I don't know enough about restraining erratic and dangerous individuals to be able to present a safe solution but clearly the way they handled him was not ideal.

You say "you don't give a sh.1t" or "good riddance" but that's simple minded thinking.

There's a blowback from these incidents. We've just experienced 4 months of violent rioting, looting and lawlessness that has resulted in over 30 deaths, hundreds of injuries and billions of dollars in damage/lost productivity.

These encounters have consequences whether you think it's fair or not.

[KING MEAT]

Can he be sedated? That might actually cause death as well.

I don't know enough about restraining erratic and dangerous individuals to be able to present a safe solution but clearly the way they handled him was not ideal.

You say "you don't give a sh.1t" or "good riddance" but that's simple minded thinking.

There's a blowback from these incidents. We've just experienced 4 months of violent rioting, looting and lawlessness that has resulted in over 30 deaths, hundreds of injuries and billions of dollars in damage/lost productivity.

These encounters have consequences whether you think it's fair or not.

i agree. i do get out of hand and quite insensitive sometimes.
yes, these situations truly suck. noones life has to end during an arrest. its very unfortunate that it always ends up like this for individuals who has the "fck the police" mentality.

[BostonGuy]

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[billeau2]

Can he be sedated? That might actually cause death as well.

I don't know enough about restraining erratic and dangerous individuals to be able to present a safe solution but clearly the way they handled him was not ideal.

You say "you don't give a sh.1t" or "good riddance" but that's simple minded thinking.

There's a blowback from these incidents. We've just experienced 4 months of violent rioting, looting and lawlessness that has resulted in over 30 deaths, hundreds of injuries and billions of dollars in damage/lost productivity.

These encounters have consequences whether you think it's fair or not.

I hesitate to use this word because it has become so overused lately: the problem is systemic. The police are trained to escalate force given certain cues and have no training for any behavoir that falls outside cues that a normal person would give.

Police are indoctrinated not to give any benefit of the doubt, to common sense, wisdom, judgement, etc. The policies are geared to protect their well being at all costs. Add to that the fact that domestic calls are the most dangerous to deal with, and the situation is potentially a disaster.

its a training issue, a policy issue, and ultimately a choice we have to make regarding the police. Do we prepare them to deal with mentally ill individuals?

In the meantime people should not call the police in situations like this one...

[BostonGuy]

I hesitate to use this word because it has become so overused lately: the problem is systemic. The police are trained to escalate force given certain cues and have no training for any behavoir that falls outside cues that a normal person would give.

Police are indoctrinated not to give any benefit of the doubt, to common sense, wisdom, judgement, etc. The policies are geared to protect their well being at all costs. Add to that the fact that domestic calls are the most dangerous to deal with, and the situation is potentially a disaster.

its a training issue, a policy issue, and ultimately a choice we have to make regarding the police. Do we prepare them to deal with mentally ill individuals?

In the meantime people should not call the police in situations like this one...

Yes, good valid and logical points. Better training to deescalate these potentially deadly encounters is where I want policing to be at as well.

Also, perhaps the officers could have covered the guy up with a warm blanket as it was snowing and to demonstrate their humility.

[BostonGuy]

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[Real King Kong]

The guy was clearly not in his right mind and likely did not have the mental capacity to “relax.?

It seems excessive to me that this mentally unstable person had to be handled in such a manner to cause his death.

I honestly don’t know how the cops are supposed to handle a person who is in this kind of distress.

Well in their defence, the guy said he had covid and was spitting. They also can’t see what’s going on inside the spit bag.

That being said, I can’t think of any reason to hold someone face down...his head could be just as easily controlled turned to the side.