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[ßringer]

Why isn't my collection of firearms, or the mental illness that you believe I have, causing me to go on a killing rampage? I've owned guns since I was 19; I'm now 33. Surely I would have snapped by now.

Well, to put it bluntly...You're not the type to go on a random shooting spree. You're more the type of imbalanced gun nut who is much more comfortable in your own little bubble of militia types surrounding yourself with inane conspiracies about how the government is out to take away your guns.

Though I wouldn't be surprised if you eventually targeted a government official over some perceived "wrongdoing", though. Like, if they raised your taxes or actually passed legitimate gun control laws that required you to undergo an actual mental health checkup.

You'd likely **** bricks and attempt to kill somebody over it.

I say that without even the slightest hint of sarcasm.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

[QUOTE]

OK, that's a huge difference from what you stated earlier- that Pratt suggested that teachers and students be armed. The youngest victim in Santa Barbara was 19, an adult. Perhaps a "student", but there are people in their sixties who go back to school and are "students". What you were implying is that Pratt wanted school-aged children to be armed. A 19-year-old is an adult and should be able to decide for themselves whether or not they want to be armed.

The point is that nobody who wants to shoot up a school gives a crap about the "Gun-free School Zone" sign on the front door.

I never mentioned age, I said student. Don't you think schools should be a place where people don't have to go ready and waiting for a gun battle? Am I crazy in this opinion?

Let me know the location of a gun show where I can buy a grenade launcher.

I was exaggerating obviously but there is a giant loop hole that has to do with gun shows. You can go in there, no background check, just a basic ID and walk out with an assault rifle. Oh and as many as you want.

So what's the point in even making laws to find out who bought what, if an estimated 40% of guns are bought through this loop hole.

We should just have vendors on every street corner selling guns like they were pancakes. There's no control, identification of who is buying what and who's hands it's falling into. I literally bought my gun inside my gym where a member sold it to me.

No ID, no receipt, no license, no nothing. Just, "here's the money" and thank you very much.

[squealpiggy]

The point is that nobody who wants to shoot up a school gives a crap about the "Gun-free School Zone" sign on the front door.

Gun bans in school are based on the fact that gun deaths and injuries increase in the presence of guns, no matter who has them. Spree killings like the typical school shooter scenario are rare. Shootings between gang members or family members are common and some of them take place on school property. A restriction on guns in schools lowers the risk of gang shooting or suicide or accidental discharge on school property.

There are about 10,000 gun homicides in this country annually. The FBI states that there are between 500,000 and 3.2 million instances annually where crime is prevented by gun owners without a shot being fired.

The FBI states that where exactly?

Violent crime is steadily decreasing as gun ownership increases:

Violent crime is steadily decreasing everywhere, including in places where firearm access is heavily regulated.

Kennesaw, Georgia mandates that every household have at least one firearm. The only murders in that town in over two decades? A shooting at a FedEx facility which was proudly designated as "gun-free".

Firstly what a profoundly ******ed local ordnance that is. No wonder the United States is an intellectual laughing stock.

Secondly Kennesaw has a population of 30,000. The results in Kennesaw are hardly representative of those in major cities with over a million residents.

Thirdly between 2000 and 2012 there have been three murders on three separate occasions. I'm not sure if you're lying or your source is lying but somebody is. It took me all of two minutes to find this information.

2.) Even if I did take it seriously (which I don't), you're providing me with (biased) information which puts forth the case that criminals are better shots than cops, which is not what I was responding to in the first place - You said that concealed-carry citizens are better shots than cops. So provide me with some statistics on that instead, please.

Actually there is some truth in the notion that police officers are not always the best shots. Regular duty officers are required (depending on the jurisdiction) to requalify with their side-arm annually but are not required to engage in regular practice. A gun enthusiast will of course engage in regular practice. And as we all know, no cops are gun enthusiasts ever.

Except the ones who are. Or the ones who are in SWAT and other teams who have to requal every month. Or the ones who became officers after leaving the military as combat veterans.

Now one of the problems is that in extremely stressful situations accuracy with firearms drops to low levels. Officers hit the target with one of every three shots on average. Trouble is they may be champion target shooters when the target isn't firing back and go to pieces as son as their life is at risk. This counts for CCW holders too, even ones that practice all the time and not all of them do.

What Speeler's claim has done is taken an unrelated statistic about police poor-shooting, added a handful of horseshit and baked it into a cake of meaninglessness.

Yet these people never thwart a mass murderer on a killing spree.

Why?

The answer is that there is no discernible difference between gun wankers fantasizing about engaging in a shootout with the "bad guys" and saving an orphanage and karate wankers talking about how they have a black belt in street fighting. The important thing is the fantasy.

[jas]

if uk legalised guns:

murder rate - up
gun crime - up
innocents killed - up
burglaries - up
car*******s - up
muggings - up


ego of an insecure person who owns a gun - up - this person is also likely to support guns being legalised

ego of a person who owns a gun but realises facts support guns should not be legalised - same.

[squealpiggy]

if uk legalised guns:

murder rate - up
gun crime - up
innocents killed - up
burglaries - up
car*******s - up
muggings - up


ego of an insecure person who owns a gun - up - this person is also likely to support guns being legalised

ego of a person who owns a gun but realises facts support guns should not be legalised - same.

Also suicides UP.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Also, the states that have the most lax gun laws, have the most crimes. All of the "red" southern states, lead the nation in crime. Yet in these states, you can get guns like you can a pack of cigaretts.

There are cities like Chicago where it's the murder capital, but we know that the guns being used are being brought in from outside the city limits where there is no regulation.

Again, there's a giant loophole where people can get guns so easily in this country. The answer of the pro gun people is get more guns....***ing amazing logic.

[squealpiggy]

It's worth pointing out that the number of gun owners is dropping across the US but the ones that are buying guns are buying more of them.

[New England]

Whatever you say, Chief.





You don't think that has anything to do with the fact that you were shooting paper targets, do you?

Damn.

i can almost guarantee that those targets were shaped like people.


it's just a hobby, doe.

[Suckmedry]

So should we have armed guards in schools or do like the NRA has actually suggested and that's arm students in school?

my god it actually gets better. Maniacs keep running into schools and shooting people. " give the teachers guns!" Wait, even better, "give the students guns!!" it's actually so fascinating for me as an Aussie to read discussions on this subject, because over here, after the 1996 port Arthur massacre gun laws were tightened heavily, and we haven't had a mass shooting since. Pretty simple.

[New England]

sbleeder:


prolific school shootings are very blatantly a product of easy access to guns.


are you willing to give up some of your access to guns to prevent them?


also, would you send your son / daughter to school with a gun if you could? and do you think that's a good idea?