Portland, OR school shooting - CNN

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Bringer coming in with Mike Tyson bolo's....holy **** he's destroying fools.

This is the reality that ************* will NEVER admit because they have been taught that GUNS = PATRIOTISM.

If you are a gun owner, you are more of an American than the avg, chi tea, drinking lib who hates America and wears Che Guevara t-shirts and is also probably a f@g.

In reality there are people like me, who are middle of the road politically and own a gun, but wish I lived in a country were guns weren't so easy to obtain for anybody. Who is for gun laws that are geared towards making it harder for people to walk into a "gun show" and buy a ***in grenade launcher.

These shootings are out of control and the NRA loves it when they happen. Why? Because gun sales go through the roof because people like Wayne Lapierre and Larry Pratt scare the bejesus out of people and they go out and buy more guns.

We know the right wing politicians are in the pockets of the gun lobbyists and even though statistically even NRA card carrying members want gun reform, conservative politicians will never even discuss it.

It's about money folks, selling guns in America is big business and they make it patriotic and ***y, and you dumb ***s fall for it hook line and sinker.

I'd unload my muzzle in her buttstock.

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I want uk to legalise guns so I can stop crimes with a sub-machine gun , the one you see on GTA .......hang on that just sounds idiotic.

[SBleeder]

I honestly can't find the video, but there's a video where he is talking about the father of one of the victims of the Santa Barbara shooting. He calls the dude an idiot, then he suggests that if his daughter was trained and armed, she would have lived.

OK, that's a huge difference from what you stated earlier- that Pratt suggested that teachers and students be armed. The youngest victim in Santa Barbara was 19, an adult. Perhaps a "student", but there are people in their sixties who go back to school and are "students". What you were implying is that Pratt wanted school-aged children to be armed. A 19-year-old is an adult and should be able to decide for themselves whether or not they want to be armed.

So you're basically branding these spree shooters criminals despite no criminal background whatsoever in the majority of cases?

I take umbrage with that. They're mentally ill individuals, not common criminals.

The point is that nobody who wants to shoot up a school gives a crap about the "Gun-free School Zone" sign on the front door.

I don't want an armed cop in school zones but, unlike *************, I'm actually willing to compromise on this issue and step outside of my own comfort zone.

Regarding the latter statement...Well, it's just patently false and I can't believe that even you are moronic enough to believe it.

Criminals are better shots than cops:

Yeah, and we call those people paranoid lunatics. You know what they all have in common? They all own a small arsenal of firearms and daydream about using them to thwart criminal activity. Just. Like. You.

Well, if you don't think violent crime is a problem, then stop complaining about gun violence.

For every one of those examples you can provide me with, I can provide quadruple the amount of shootings that weren't stopped by civilian 'Dirty Harry.'

There are about 10,000 gun homicides in this country annually. The FBI states that there are between 500,000 and 3.2 million instances annually where crime is prevented by gun owners without a shot being fired.

The more I talk to you about this issue, the more I realize how absolutely ****ing nuts you are. Seriously, you're sitting there telling me that the solution to rampant gun violence in America is to arm more people, and you're not even doing it with a single shred of sarcasm.

Violent crime is steadily decreasing as gun ownership increases:

How did you become so obtuse? Were you just born a complete ****tard, or did you have to work at it really hard for your entire life, finally resulting in the colossal moron that stands before me now telling me that more people carrying guns will solve the problem?

Kennesaw, Georgia mandates that every household have at least one firearm. The only murders in that town in over two decades? A shooting at a FedEx facility which was proudly designated as "gun-free".

Debunked. Many of those were suicides or gang****ers killing other gang****ers.






I own twenty-three firearms. I have no criminal history, no mental illness, am a practicing attorney, have a wife and kids, and have fired probably close to a hundred thousand rounds at the range... and not a single person was injured.

[SBleeder]

Bringer coming in with Mike Tyson bolo's....holy **** he's destroying fools.

This is the reality that ************* will NEVER admit because they have been taught that GUNS = PATRIOTISM.

If you are a gun owner, you are more of an American than the avg, chi tea, drinking lib who hates America and wears Che Guevara t-shirts and is also probably a f@g.

In reality there are people like me, who are middle of the road politically and own a gun, but wish I lived in a country were guns weren't so easy to obtain for anybody. Who is for gun laws that are geared towards making it harder for people to walk into a "gun show" and buy a ***in grenade launcher.

These shootings are out of control and the NRA loves it when they happen. Why? Because gun sales go through the roof because people like Wayne Lapierre and Larry Pratt scare the bejesus out of people and they go out and buy more guns.

We know the right wing politicians are in the pockets of the gun lobbyists and even though statistically even NRA card carrying members want gun reform, conservative politicians will never even discuss it.

It's about money folks, selling guns in America is big business and they make it patriotic and ***y, and you dumb ***s fall for it hook line and sinker.

Let me know the location of a gun show where I can buy a grenade launcher.

[ßringer]

The point is that nobody who wants to shoot up a school gives a crap about the "Gun-free School Zone" sign on the front door.

...And? Nobody is claiming that a sign will prevent criminal activity.

Criminals are better shots than cops:

1.) Your link is from a pro-gun website which immediately starts off blaming "***** and ********s", so nobody is going to take it seriously.

2.) Even if I did take it seriously (which I don't), you're providing me with (biased) information which puts forth the case that criminals are better shots than cops, which is not what I was responding to in the first place - You said that concealed-carry citizens are better shots than cops. So provide me with some statistics on that instead, please.

Unless they come from , that is.

Well, if you don't think violent crime is a problem, then stop complaining about gun violence.

I do think it's a problem. I'm just not sure that it's a bigger problem than a significant portion of the population arming themselves to the teeth with a variety of firearms and then fantasizing about using them to thwart crime.

There are about 10,000 gun homicides in this country annually. The FBI states that there are between 500,000 and 3.2 million instances annually where crime is prevented by gun owners without a shot being fired.

Yet these people never thwart a mass murderer on a killing spree.

Why?

[QUOTE]Violent crime is steadily decreasing as gun ownership increases:



What about statistics on the number of annual spree shootings and how they correlate to increased gun proliferation?

Kennesaw, Georgia mandates that every household have at least one firearm. The only murders in that town in over two decades? A shooting at a FedEx facility which was proudly designated as "gun-free".

Kennesaw, Georgia also has a population of less than 40,000 people, with the majority of them living nowhere near the poverty line. Those two factors have much more to do with that city's low crime rate than your wetdream of a gun law.

Debunked. Many of those were suicides or gang****ers killing other gang****ers.

You do realize that you can't just say "debunked" and be done with it, right? That the onus is then on you to provide comprehensive analysis, statistics, and evidence to back up your claim?

Of course you don't.

I also took note of how you didn't address a single point laid out in the article. Most noteworthy among them, that more than 75% of the guns used to commit these crimes were obtained legally.

I don't know why, but I was expecting a much better response from you than what you just provided. That was seriously the weakest attempt at a rebuttal that I've ever seen and you should be embarrassed.

I don't mind that you have a different opinion than I do on this issue, I just mind that you're essentially wasting my time with this half-hearted bull**** and that you're delusional enough to think that I'm going to take your pro-gun sources as being credible.

You should spend less time ******* off to pictures of M16s and hand grenades and more time researching the arguments of those who disagree with you. Just a suggestion.

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I own twenty-three firearms.

I have no mental illness

Whatever you say, Chief.

and have fired probably close to a hundred thousand rounds at the range... and not a single person was injured.

You don't think that has anything to do with the fact that you were shooting paper targets, do you?

[fight_professor]

Whatever you say, Chief.





You don't think that has anything to do with the fact that you were shooting paper targets, do you?

Damn.

[SBleeder]

...And? Nobody is claiming that a sign will prevent criminal activity.



1.) Your link is from a pro-gun website which immediately starts off blaming "***** and ********s", so nobody is going to take it seriously.

Your link is from Motherjones, so nobody is going to take it seriously.
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2.) Even if I did take it seriously (which I don't), you're providing me with (biased) information which puts forth the case that criminals are better shots than cops, which is not what I was responding to in the first place - You said that concealed-carry citizens are better shots than cops. So provide me with some statistics on that instead, please.

Unless they come from , that is.





I do think it's a problem. I'm just not sure that it's a bigger problem than a significant portion of the population arming themselves to the teeth with a variety of firearms and then fantasizing about using them to thwart crime.



Yet these people never thwart a mass murderer on a killing spree.

Why?

Violent crime is steadily decreasing as gun ownership increases:



What about statistics on the number of annual spree shootings and how they correlate to increased gun proliferation?

"Spree shootings" are negligible. You're more likely to be struck by lightning.

Kennesaw, Georgia also has a population of less than 40,000 people, with the majority of them living nowhere near the poverty line. Those two factors have much more to do with that city's low crime rate than your wetdream of a gun law.

It's also an hour drive from Atlanta.

You do realize that you can't just say "debunked" and be done with it, right? That the onus is then on you to provide comprehensive analysis, statistics, and evidence to back up your claim?

Of course you don't.

CNN, which would report that the sky is green if Bloomberg told them to, is backtracking on the "74" figure:

I also took note of how you didn't address a single point laid out in the article. Most noteworthy among them, that more than 75% of the guns used to commit these crimes were obtained legally.

I don't know why, but I was expecting a much better response from you than what you just provided. That was seriously the weakest attempt at a rebuttal that I've ever seen and you should be embarrassed.

I don't mind that you have a different opinion than I do on this issue, I just mind that you're essentially wasting my time with this half-hearted bull**** and that you're delusional enough to think that I'm going to take your pro-gun sources as being credible.

You should spend less time ******* off to pictures of M16s and hand grenades and more time researching the arguments of those who disagree with you. Just a suggestion.

As I noted, Motherjones is not a valid source on anything.

[SBleeder]

Whatever you say, Chief.





You don't think that has anything to do with the fact that you were shooting paper targets, do you?

Why isn't my collection of firearms, or the mental illness that you believe I have, causing me to go on a killing rampage? I've owned guns since I was 19; I'm now 33. Surely I would have snapped by now.

[ßringer]

"Spree shootings" are negligible. You're more likely to be struck by lightning.

Oh, really?

Because only 23 people died from lightning strikes in the United States during the entire year of 2013.

It's also an hour drive from Atlanta.

And? That has absolutely nothing to do at all with what I just rebutted you with. You're literally just stating random facts now.

Me : "You don't think poverty and a considerably lower population density has anything to do with that?"

You : "Rain makes you wet."

CNN, which would report that the sky is green if Bloomberg told them to

Spoken like a true conservetard whose only interest is pushing their own agenda. I'm over here as a ******* ******** saying that I'd be willing to put aside personal beliefs and politics in order to try to solve the problem. Meanwhile, you're over there as an unapologetic gun enthusiast going "herpa derpa derp, what problem?!"

Seriously...stop talking to me about this. It's quite obvious to everybody reading that you have no interest whatsoever in actually addressing the problem - All you're interested in is using this discussion as a delivery vehicle for your warped right wing ideology.