*********s running the show

[PBDS]

....speaking of googling, here is the basic run down on the heights history.Golan Heights

Arabic: murtafacātu l-jawlān












Syrian territory, now under Israeli occupation, of about 1,250 kmē.
The Golan Heights are situated to the east of the Jordan River. Today the population of the Golan Heights is principally ***ish Israeli, after large numbers of locals fled the area in 1973. More than 100,000 locals fled to Syria (80,000) and Lebanon (20,000). The number of ***s moving into the Golan Heights is around 75,000 settlers who live in more than 30 ***ish-only settlements, illegal by international law. Altogether, the number of inhabitants today must exceed 200,000.
Golan Heights has been annexed by Israel, and is under Israeli law, but this is not internationally recognized.
HISTORY
1948: The Golan Heights becomes strategically important, as it is used as a base for artillery attacks on Israel, mostly during wars.
1967: The Golan Heights are occupied by Israel early in the Six-Day War.
1973: For a couple of days during the Yom Kippur War, the Golan Heights are recaptured by Syria.
1975: Syria gets an area around the town of Qunaytirah, as a result of US-led talks after the Yom Kippur War.
1981: The Golan Heights is officially annexed by Menachim Begin's government. The area is placed under Israeli law, and settlements are established. The annexation is not recognized by the international community.

[medium-deek]

That is what I'm referring to. If you know all this you sure have a narrow-minded opinion. A straight-up 70s post-Yom Kippur war British worldview. I'm willing to be when you're actually talking to a ***ish person you have a whole different tune.

I dont have a narrow view. Quiet the reverse. I acknowledge Israel exists and has a right to exist. The Arab world could learn a great deal from the success of the Israeli economy, for example. What pisses me off is Americans who hold this one way view that Israel is always right and who cannot acknowledge that this is a state that has been defying international law by illegally occupying and building settlements (which the United Nations recognises as illegal). Now, whether these Yanks hate the UN or not is irrelevant. The UN recognises the occupation and settlements as illegal and so is illegal under international law. You cannot pick and choose which UN resolution you like or dont like.

[Bombardier]

I dont have a narrow view. Quiet the reverse. I acknowledge Israel exists and has a right to exist. The Arab world could learn a great deal from the success of the Israeli economy, for example. What pisses me off is Americans who hold this one way view that Israel is always right and who cannot acknowledge that this is a state that has been defying international law by illegally occupying and building settlements (which the United Nations recognises as illegal). Now, whether these Yanks hate the UN or not is irrelevant. The UN recognises the occupation and settlements as illegal and so is illegal under international law. You cannot pick and choose which UN resolution you like or dont like.

I distrust any extreme view. I disagree when the U.S. says Israel is always right or that the Arabs are all *********s (or all "freedom-lovers", for that matter). I disagree when Americans say that Arab states are "jealous" of its freedom, but I also disagree when non-Americans paint the States as pure evil, or that Israelis are *********s. Nothing is so black and white.

Two more things to say about this issue:

1) Those UN declarations to pull out of the occupied territories that you guys are so fond of talking about were contingent upon peace treaties being signed between Israel and the participating states in the 1967 war. Since those treaties were not immediately signed (which was as much the fault of the Arab states as it was Israel's) the situation became far more complicated. It's not as simple as saying "Israel didn't agree to the resolutions."

2) It's very convenient for people from countries that grew big and got rich before there was international law to point fingers at younger states. What do you think the UN would have had to say about the British Empire growing fat off the exploitation of the Indian subcontinent? Or or Britain's harassment of the Irish people dating back to the days of William the Conquerer?

[PBDS]

I dont have a narrow view. Quiet the reverse. I acknowledge Israel exists and has a right to exist. The Arab world could learn a great deal from the success of the Israeli economy, for example. What pisses me off is Americans who hold this one way view that Israel is always right and who cannot acknowledge that this is a state that has been defying international law by illegally occupying and building settlements (which the United Nations recognises as illegal). Now, whether these Yanks hate the UN or not is irrelevant. The UN recognises the occupation and settlements as illegal and so is illegal under international law. You cannot pick and choose which UN resolution you like or dont like.

....The last part about ignoring and picking and choosing UN resolutions is priceless when it comes to the conflict in Iraq and the lack of UN resolve or action when it came to the numerous broken resolutions. When it comes to US policy and decision making the UN is certainly considered, but ultimately the buck stops with us and we will decide how to proceed. When your the biggest and baddest kid on the block it tends to work out that way.

[medium-deek]

I distrust any extreme view. I disagree when the U.S. says Israel is always right or that the Arabs are all *********s (or all "freedom-lovers", for that matter). I disagree when Americans say that Arab states are "jealous" of its freedom, but I also disagree when non-Americans paint the States as pure evil. Nothing is so black and white.

Two more things to say about this issue:

1) Those UN declarations to pull out of the occupied territories that you guys are so fond of talking about were contingent upon peace treaties being signed between Israel and the participating states in the 1967 war. Since those treaties were not immediately signed (which was as much the fault of the Arab states as it was Israel's) the situation became far more complicated. It's not as simple as saying "Israel didn't agree to the resolutions."

2) It's very convenient for people from countries that grew big and got rich before there was international law to point fingers at younger states. What do you think the UN would have had to say about the British Empire growing fat off the exploitation of the Indian subcontinent? Or or Britain's harassment of the Irish people dating back to the days of William the Conquerer?

Now that I do agree. Infact there was a recent survey of the Islamic world which showed that a majority of ******s admired America's economic success and its political system. Its just its absolute and unquestionable support of Israel that they do not like.

[LuKahnLi]

They are not *********s. They are a legitimate independence struggle. Remember for 4 decqades the ANC were called *********s, then they became the darlings of the world media.

These were free elections, observed elections. The people have spoken.

Apples and oranges. The ANC was called *********s by the South African Government, most other countries knew they had a legitimate beef.

I don't recall the ANC using suicide bombers and blowing up civilian buses and ****.

[angelo_dundee]

Read LONG WALK TO FREEDOM, the ANC did undertake an armed campaign too. Blowing up rail lines ect. The translation of the armed wing was "Spear of the People", I cant recall the African name.

[LuKahnLi]

You know what happened to the last *** that tried to make peace with the ************?

Yitzhak Rabin, Prime Minster of Israel assassinated by a ****ing Zionist. Yeah, thats right. A *** who who was moving to make peace killed by a ***. Yet you get that ****** PBDS talking **** about *********** extremists.

I seem to recall Sharon trying to put together a resolution that would share Jerusalem between ********* and Israel......who was it that rejected that one?

[angelo_dundee]

All proposals so far have been jokes. All *********** lands should be returned, with a method of joining the 2. And at a minimum, joint control over Jerusalem.

[LuKahnLi]

All proposals so far have been jokes. All *********** lands should be returned, with a method of joining the 2. And at a minimum, joint control over Jerusalem.

*********** lands? What *********** lands? THe ***s came from that region too.