Why do some religious people ridicule Sciences beliefs on how the Universe came to be

[squealpiggy]

It may or may not

But it definitely won't if we don't bother to check!

[Mares]

It may or may not, I agree we have have learned plenty about our human origins and the specials and info I have read on that subject are interesting but then we still do naturally search for the answer to the next question about the origin of the Earth and beyond that which is still really a mystery though some new interesting ideas have arose.

Right now the hypothesis that ppl come up with are just theoretical and we can't learn more until we can really get out there into space for long periods of time in very far places to test some of these ideas and that will not be for some time if at all because of monetary, social, and political issues blocking scientific efforts.

Or if we do blow ourselves up.

it is not necceasry some of the laws and observations we made are already good enough and sufficient in explaining a vast array of phenomena.

Like gravity it was discovered like 400years ago the mathemathics of newton is already good enough to guide our spaceship to the moon. That was made 400years ago by people who did not even have electricity or anything we have today.

[Spray_resistant]

it is not necceasry some of the laws and observations we made are already good enough and sufficient in explaining a vast array of phenomena.

Like gravity it was discovered like 400years ago the mathemathics of newton is already good enough to guide our spaceship to the moon. That was made 400years ago by people who did not even have electricity or anything we have today.

But it definitely won't if we don't bother to check!

To learn all about the universe and other planets we need to go out there and find out how common life is at least with a robot 1st? or WTF is in a black hole and where all the matter that goes into a hole in the universe comes out?

Some things can be learned by doing a bunch of equations on a chalk board but not everything and we need alot more info to understand where we come from why and how.

As it stands we simply do not have the info to adequately debate such and issue to where it will result in any definitive conclusion.

Even if we did figure out all of this, I cannot envision an answer that will prove conclusively that the flying spaghetti monster, who we have no frame of reference for and if exists may be beyond our universe, didn't create it all.

[Mares]

It may or may not, I agree we have have learned plenty about our human origins and the specials and info I have read on that subject are interesting but then we still do naturally search for the answer to the next question about the origin of the Earth and beyond that which is still really a mystery though some new interesting ideas have arose.

Right now the hypothesis that ppl come up with are just theoretical and we can't learn more until we can really get out there into space for long periods of time in very far places to test some of these ideas and that will not be for some time if at all because of monetary, social, and political issues blocking scientific efforts.

Or if we do blow ourselves up.

To learn all about the universe and other planets we need to go out there and find out how common life is at least with a robot 1st? or WTF is in a black hole and where all the matter that goes into a hole in the universe comes out?

Some things can be learned by doing a bunch of equations on a chalk board but not everything and we need alot more info to understand where we come from why and how.

As it stands we simply do not have the info to adequately debate such and issue to where it will result in any definitive conclusion.

Even if we did figure out all of this, I cannot envision an answer that will prove conclusively that the flying spaghetti monster, who we have no frame of reference for and if exists may be beyond our universe, didn't create it all.

once again it is not neccesarry.... like gravity it is a very mysterious force we do not know much about.. but we feel its effects and take precise measurements etc and so on. But don't understand it gravity behaves that way. Why does mass exert gravity? where does the gravity come from? Does it from inside the atom? Or why does it bend the space time curveture? Nobody knows... ok
Except to say that it just does and it is just one of the fundamental parts of nature that u just have to accept... the existance of gravitional force.

[-Spinal-]

Doesn't it seem so lazy to just follow some unproven theory about a being creating him or herself then created everything else? It seems like pure laziness to me like "yeah let's just believe that, let's not be curious those stars up there and let's not think about how this thing made itself, it was just there all along..Okay now I can skip Science class because my religion already knows everything that happened." Lol.

At least their are plenty of clues and evidence that the Universe is expanding therefore it expanded from something. There are scientific tests to answer at least some of the theories scientists come up with while there are no tests at all about how god came to be and how it created it self. None at all, just word of mouth. Like a rumor that was passed on from a book that has been altered who knows hw many times. While there's always just been one theory that scientists believe in about how the universe came to be.

[arraamis]

****, I couldn't sleep while thinking about this article with excerpts from S.Hawkins. A Brief History of Time, 1988.

The theory of the big **** essentially is not dependent at all upon the existence of a supreme Deity. While it does not prove that such a Divinity does not exist, it surely makes a case for the universe in which one is not necessary. I would like to quote Stephen Hawking on the matter, a matter which he has surely considered deeply with every irreverent insight he has had over time. In his A Brief History of Time, he writes, "Existence [prior to the Big ****] can be ignored because it would have no observational consequences. One may say that time had a beginning at the big ****, in the sense that earlier times simply would not be defined...One could still imagine that God created the universe at the instant of the big ****, or even after wards in just such a way as to make it look as though there had been a big ****, but it would be meaningless to suppose that it was created before the big ****. An expanding universe does not preclude a creator..." (p. 14-15)

So what does it mean if the modern origin myth, unlike almost every other in the past, is not based upon the action of a Divine being? Has modern man lost all ability and desire to have faith? Must he believe things based solely upon reason, that is, what can be proved with rational thought and scientific proof? At first, it may appear so. Many people like to imagine that science and reason are incompatible with faith. In fact, many people simply like to imagine that modern man has deteriorated in his capability for irrationality and imagination. However, these modern theories, like the big **** theory, are incredible works of imagination!

Surely, they find their value in their correspondence to experiential fact, by what science can prove, by what it can predict, but it came from one man's mind! These theories do not explain everything! In fact, some of them open up more mysteries than they solve. It is upon faith which theories like the big **** rest. We have faith in the mathematical systems which derived it; we have faith in the observations which confirmed it; we have faith in the laws of science which supported it. In the end, we have faith in ourselves, in our own capabilities of reasoning and imagining. We have faith in the human being. The big **** theory, while it differs in the fact that it is a stated theory (that is, open to debate and change) rather than a myth (like ancient lores, which were accepted as truth), is very similar to ancient cosmologies of the origin of the universe. Indeed, they all appear fantastical when we reflect upon them.

*******

And to clarify my position. I cannot and do not accept the belief that God is some spirit out in space rendering judgment on man and woman for his amusement.

And I cannot and do not accept many sponsored religious belief systems that render both man and woman powerless to determine their own destiny's.

What I believe in as a GOD is different from what is the norm and would only open up the floodgates of debate with those who cannot understand the concept. But in my belief system, a God that is a spirit is a fabricated being that does not exist in the real world and is only used as a tool to manipulate and enslave.

*******

From that you can draw whatever conclusions you want.

[Mares]

Most scientists like einstein relate the word god as the physical law of nature which is different from a religious nuts view...understanding this laws and patterns is reading the mind of god which is nature... now u don't worship and pray to the law of gravity do u?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

They say "oh the big **** yeah nothing just blew up and made everything".

But then their beliefs is that God/or a higher being created the Universe him/herself and when you ask them how was God created, they say he/she is so powerful and so great that he/she created itself.

Okay so nothing just created itself and became something?
Doesn't that sound pretty much the same, like isn't it hypocritical to make fun of the big **** theory while your theory is just as "******" as what you're making fun of and sounds pretty much the same?


This is an actual question of mine, Kevin, that I have been wanting to ask for a while.

I believe in God. God was here before anything.

[Spray_resistant]

Most scientists like einstein relate the word god as the physical law of nature which is different from a religious nuts view...understanding this laws and patterns is reading the mind of god which is nature... now u don't worship and pray to the law of gravity do u?

Hey, we know its there and it does its job and pretty damn well which is more than I can say for most other things

[Spartacus Sully]

I believe in God. God was here before anything.

then where did god come from?