Russia, Ukraine, my 2

[Marchegiano]

Im open to everything you guys are saying right now. I just dont see how any of it would be worth uniting the West over. Its a big gamble to take.

Also, if thats what the West wanted from the start, why not grant Ukraine NATO membership years ago? They've been asking for it for more then a decade.

Alot of twists and turns here.

Anyone can sit back and with hindsight say what should have been done.

The west doesn't want war, Russia doesn't really want war either. Folks tend to try to avoid these things and making Ukraine a NATO state limits the companies and officials abilities to make deals.

Which means at this moment a nation like US has both by the short hairs.

If America had just simply helped Europe with Hitler then America would not have been in position to squeeze the British empire out of existence. If the US stops Germany from bombing the UK then who gets the contract for rebuilding a London that was never bombed to ****?

What I am saying is allies are not good feelings and ****. America lets her allies get into bad spots then offers a helping hand in exchange for business. I mean that's America's ****. America doesn't even give a **** about winning wars. America starts a conflict, or at least instigates it, then while the world focuses on dumb **** like land grabs over bits of land that have no value what gets set up? Yo, lost Vietnam but straight away set up sweat shops didn't the good ol US? US doesn't care if Russia or Ukraine owns that oil or those people. US cares about what deals they can get signed and established while oligarchs in both nations get more and more desperate.




The west gains more by letting Russia pick on Ukraine a little. If Ukraine was cutting deals with exxon prior, wonder how upside down they'll make a deal with exxon now.

[Citizen Koba]

I reckon I found a neutral source. I want to be very clear though, if this guy has a political alignment I did not notice it. In this video the info seems pretty straight but he does offer his opinion quite a bit. It's pretty hard to find any politically neutral and opinionless news these days. I was pretty gob smacked when I tried.

I guess what I'll have to do to show a neutral and fact based information resource is ****ing make one myself and make sure to source each fact with at least one source from each party or at least political alignment. Gimme a while and I'll bring some detail to this ****s...and defeat the entire purpose of having a just short opening post

It's a pretty good video actually (and good catch about the Ukrainian petro- reserves) whilst also detailing the very real strategic factors.... like you I tend to lean towards pragmatic reasons for the US support for Ukraine but when looking at the Russian reasons it may not be quite so strightforward... the Germans too for that matter. Might seem like ancient history and something very far away to those in the US but I think the ghost of WW2 looms much larger in the psyche and the considerations of both Russians and Germans... shit in many ways the Russians are still living on their past glories and tragedies, and none of em loom larger than the Great Patriotic War which you could argue in many ways the Soviets never really recovered from.

[Marchegiano]

It's a pretty good video actually (and good catch about the Ukrainian petro- reserves) whilst also detailing the very real strategic factors.... like you I tend to lean towards pragmatic reasons for the US support for Ukraine but when looking at the Russian reasons it may not be quite so strightforward... the Germans too for that matter. Might seem like ancient history and something very far away to those in the US but I think the ghost of WW2 looms much larger in the psyche and the considerations of both Russians and Germans... shit in many ways the Russians are still living on their past glories and tragedies, and none of em loom larger than the Great Patriotic War which you could argue in many ways the Soviets never really recovered from.

Yeah, that creator deserves the attention he's getting. Which is rare. I am somewhat proud of the reactions I see. There normally isn't such a search for more than what politicians speak to. Seems like no one believe the surface of things and everyone's searching for a deeper truth. Which is a good thing IMO.

Just Russia being Russia imo, maybe I am ignorant.

Russia telling the world they're attacking to defend themselves is....you know....ancient Russian ****.

Russia using satellite states like colonies to support Russia also seems like ancient Russian ****.

I don't put much thought into stuff like that or try to find any deeper meanings. Seems like all you can do is bring detail to it. Why did Stalin starve Ukraine to feed Russia and stuff like that doesn't much address the very long span of time doing more or less the same stuff under different circumstances.

When Russia needs something Russia claims defense, invades someone close to them to secure their border, then proceeds to treat that new land and the people there like colonies and ******.....that 3rd Rome ****...and it's pretty Romanish still today. They can call it ***** ****. They can call it Stalin ****, but it's also Catharine ****, and Ivan **** because it's jusr Russian ****.

[Citizen Koba]

Yeah, that creator deserves the attention he's getting. Which is rare. I am somewhat proud of the reactions I see. There normally isn't such a search for more than what politicians speak to. Seems like no one believe the surface of things and everyone's searching for a deeper truth. Which is a good thing IMO.

Just Russia being Russia imo, maybe I am ignorant.

Russia telling the world they're attacking to defend themselves is....you know....ancient Russian ****.

Russia using satellite states like colonies to support Russia also seems like ancient Russian ****.

I don't put much thought into stuff like that or try to find any deeper meanings. Seems like all you can do is bring detail to it. Why did Stalin starve Ukraine to feed Russia and stuff like that doesn't much address the very long span of time doing more or less the same stuff under different circumstances.

When Russia needs something Russia claims defense, invades someone close to them to secure their border, then proceeds to treat that new land and the people there like colonies and ******.....that 3rd Rome ****...and it's pretty Romanish still today. They can call it ***** ****. They can call it Stalin ****, but it's also Catharine ****, and Ivan **** because it's jusr Russian ****.

I think that's more or less the story of all Empires and hegemons ever it's just since the so called 'enlightenment' we started feeling the urge to find some kinda moral justification for kicking folks' doors in and taking what the fuck we pleased, and dressing it up in pretty language.