NFL/CFB 2021-2022 Master Thread

[Comanche]

The D wins the games (when the schedule is weak).
He doesn't lose them.
He will no doubt have a comeback season, since they have the 23rd ''toughest'' schedule.
And let me know when he takes them deep into the postseason.

No you are way off. You dont watch their games so you wouldnt know. But even without watching their games, you should know that your defense cannot win you an MVP as a QB. Jackson is a special talent. Watch him play to understand how much pressure he puts on a defense.

[Comanche]

There are levels even when it comes to starting QBs.
If a guy is going to demand big money, they better earn it.
By earn it, I mean, where matters most ..W/L column. Having solid, top 5 PASSING stats would also be nice.
In the end, if a GM feel it's in the teams best interest to give a QB a blank check......There are numerous failure stories that they will be added to.

That blank check is coming to all top 10 to 12 QBs. Thats just the cost of doing business. And of course there will be failures. That comes with the territory. Dont feel bad for those owners not a single one of them is losing money.

[BodyBagz]

No you are way off. You dont watch their games so you wouldnt know. But even without watching their games, you should know that your defense cannot win you an MVP as a QB. Jackson is a special talent. Watch him play to understand how much pressure he puts on a defense.

Let's look at his MVP PASSING stats (I'll get to the overrated rushing stats after), other top QB stats from same year and compare them to previous QB winners

Jackson (2019)
Comp 265 (27th)
Att 401 (26th)
% 66 (8th)
Yds 3127 (22nd)
Tds 36 (1st)
Ints 6 (2nd)
Sac 23 (2nd)
QBR 83 (1st)
Rtg 113 (3rd)

Leaders, 2nds
Comp Ryan 408 (1st)
Att Winston 626 (1st)
% Brees 74 (1st)
Yds Winston 5109 (1st)
Tds Winston 33 (2nd)
Ints Rodgers 4 (1st)
QBR Mahomes 78 (2nd)
Rtg 118 Tannenhill (1st)
Sac Goff 22 (1st)

Jackson didn't dominate in any category.
Team finished 14-2 .875 top seed (1 and done)

2018 winner - Mahomes
Comp 383 (4th)
Att 580 (7th)
% 66 (16th)
Yds 5097 (2nd)
Tds 50 (1st)
Ints 12 (9th)
Sacs 26 (22nd)
QBR 80 (1st)
Rtg 114 (2nd)

12-4 .750 (1st due to tiebreaker) 1-1

To look at Lamars MVP season, I'm not seeing shocking numbers (maybe the stats are running related)
Hell, send everyone out and take off when you see everyone's backs.
Most black QBs are good at that.
Wilson does it better and is still able to put up very good PASSING stats, consistently.
Rodgers does it well too and Lamar is not even on that level of passer.

3 straight years Balt had easy schedules and he shined
Finally had a somewhat tough schedule and they finished last.
He was nowhere to be found.

[BodyBagz]

That blank check is coming to all top 10 to 12 QBs. Thats just the cost of doing business. And of course there will be failures. That comes with the territory. Dont feel bad for those owners not a single one of them is losing money.

I kinda do

It's not as if the player who were jerked are now benefitting.
It's the same in MLB.
Mugs put up nice stats come contract year and then fizzle until the next contract year.

If we were GMs, wouldn't we give money to a proven winner ?

[Comanche]

Let's look at his MVP PASSING stats (I'll get to the overrated rushing stats after), other top QB stats from same year and compare them to previous QB winners

Jackson (2019)
Comp 265 (27th)
Att 401 (26th)
% 66 (8th)
Yds 3127 (22nd)
Tds 36 (1st)
Ints 6 (2nd)
Sac 23 (2nd)
QBR 83 (1st)
Rtg 113 (3rd)

Leaders, 2nds
Comp Ryan 408 (1st)
Att Winston 626 (1st)
% Brees 74 (1st)
Yds Winston 5109 (1st)
Tds Winston 33 (2nd)
Ints Rodgers 4 (1st)
QBR Mahomes 78 (2nd)
Rtg 118 Tannenhill (1st)
Sac Goff 22 (1st)

Jackson didn't dominate in any category.
Team finished 14-2 .875 top seed (1 and done)

2018 winner - Mahomes
Comp 383 (4th)
Att 580 (7th)
% 66 (16th)
Yds 5097 (2nd)
Tds 50 (1st)
Ints 12 (9th)
Sacs 26 (22nd)
QBR 80 (1st)
Rtg 114 (2nd)

12-4 .750 (1st due to tiebreaker) 1-1

To look at Lamars MVP season, I'm not seeing shocking numbers (maybe the stats are running related)
Hell, send everyone out and take off when you see everyone's backs.
Most black QBs are good at that.
Wilson does it better and is still able to put up very good PASSING stats, consistently.
Rodgers does it well too and Lamar is not even on that level of passer.

3 straight years Balt had easy schedules and he shined
Finally had a somewhat tough schedule and they finished last.
He was nowhere to be found.

Theres so much to correct here. Lets break it down bit by bit.

You just said he didnt dominate in any category and for some reason, you chose to compare him to a previous MVP winner instead of comparing him to other QBs in the same year, while ALSO pretending that rushing stats shouldnt count somehow?

Ok, lets start by looking at his passing stats only from that year. The ones that REALLY matter.

TDs (1st), INTs (2nd), QBR (1st), Rtg (3rd).

So tell me how that is not dominant, tell me who had better stats that year, and tell me who was YOUR pick for MVP that season.

[siablo14]

I kinda do

It's not as if the player who were jerked are now benefitting.
It's the same in MLB.
Mugs put up nice stats come contract year and then fizzle until the next contract year.

If we were GMs, wouldn't we give money to a proven winner ?

Dumb Elroy doesn't understand market forces.

[Build That Wall]

Comanche, are you interested in joining a boxingscene fantasy football league?

[BodyBagz]

Theres so much to correct here. Lets break it down bit by bit.

You just said he didnt dominate in any category and for some reason, you chose to compare him to a previous MVP winner instead of comparing him to other QBs in the same year, while ALSO pretending that rushing stats shouldnt count somehow?

Ok, lets start by looking at his passing stats only from that year. The ones that REALLY matter.

TDs (1st), INTs (2nd), QBR (1st), Rtg (3rd).

So tell me how that is not dominant, tell me who had better stats that year, and tell me who was YOUR pick for MVP that season.

I clearly addressed this, but I will repost -

Leaders, 2nds that same year -
Comp Ryan 408 (1st)
Att Winston 626 (1st)
% Brees 74 (1st)
Yds Winston 5109 (1st)
Tds Winston 33 (2nd)
Ints Rodgers 4 (1st)
QBR Mahomes 78 (2nd)
Rtg 118 Tannenhill (1st)
Sac Goff 22 (1st)

Wilson, Brees, Rodgers had a comparable season.

He didn't ''run'' away in any category.
It was his added rushing stats that made him an MVP.
Added into the mix the weak strength of schedule and a top rated D....voila.
Again, Balt will have a cushy schedule in 2022 so I expect Lamar to have a good statistical year.
I highly doubt he takes them deep into the postseason.

[BodyBagz]

Previous MVPs (QBs) -
(Comp-Att-TD-Int-Yds % QBR Rtg bold = led league)

2021 Rodgers 13-3 (1 n done)
366- 531-37-4;4115 69 69 112

2020 Rodgers 13-3 (1-1)
372-526-48-5;4300 71 80 122

2019 Jackson 13-2 (1 n done)
265-401-36-6;3127 66 83 113

2018 Mahomes 12-4 (1-1)
383-580-50-12;5100 66 80 114

2017 Brady 13-3 (2-1...lost SB)
385-581-32-8;4577 66 71 103

2016 Ryan 11-5 (2-1....Lost SB)
373-534-38-7;4944 70 80 117

2015 Newton 15-1 (2-1....Lost SB)
296-495-35-10;3837 60 61 99

2014 Rodgers 12-4 (1-1)
341-520-38-5;4381 65 78 112

2013 Manning 13-3 (2-1)
450-659-55-10;5477 68 79 115

I need to make some corrections when I criticized Lamar. Saying he ''only'' led in 1 passing category when he led in 2.
As it turns out, it's rare for an MVP to lead the league in multiple categories. Making Peyton's 2013 MVP season exceptional.
Still, to look at his MVP stats and the others, not that special.

[Comanche]

I clearly addressed this, but I will repost -

Leaders, 2nds that same year -
Comp Ryan 408 (1st)
Att Winston 626 (1st)
% Brees 74 (1st)
Yds Winston 5109 (1st)
Tds Winston 33 (2nd)
Ints Rodgers 4 (1st)
QBR Mahomes 78 (2nd)
Rtg 118 Tannenhill (1st)
Sac Goff 22 (1st)

Wilson, Brees, Rodgers had a comparable season.

He didn't ''run'' away in any category.
It was his added rushing stats that made him an MVP.
Added into the mix the weak strength of schedule and a top rated D....voila.
Again, Balt will have a cushy schedule in 2022 so I expect Lamar to have a good statistical year.
I highly doubt he takes them deep into the postseason.

You keep posting single categories but if you post their entire stat lines you will see that Lamar was the best passer that season. Having the best season isnt predicated on ONE specific stat.

Do you remember when I asked you what offensive system Baltimore runs and you didnt know?

Thats the entire problem here.

Their entire offense is predicated on Lamar running the football. No, not taking off when DBs have their backs turned, as you suggested. They are real designed run plays. Read options, RPOs, Powers, Counters, Bootlegs... You said his running was overrated... but actually it means everything to that team. His running opens lanes for his running backs to run through because the LBs have to stay home in case he takes off. His receivers have an easier time getting open because the defense focuses on stopping the run first.

I can go on but you have to watch their games to understand his value. It goes beyond stats.