Anyone watching this George Floyd trial?

[Chollo Vista]

The world is getting a tiny glimpse into the reality of being Black in America and all the Twilight Zone schit that comes with it

[Real King Kong]

I disagree. The force used trying to get him into the car isn't going to matter when the issue is regarding the force used when he is on the ground.

We've already established that we disagree on this, so it's pointless to keep going through this. But I don't know why you are falling for all of the silly things the defense is pulling out of their arse. Distracted by the bystanders when they have an armed officer watching the bystanders, who were following directions and standing back on the curb? Arguing that he kept a knee on the guy's neck because they were concerned about bystanders who were upset that he.....kept his knee on the guy's neck....???? It's silly. If he was concerned about the bystanders, he could have removed his knee. These arguments are pretty dumb, IMO.

The good news is that whether it's 2nd degree murder or 3rd degree murder, he'd most likely be facing the same amount of time behind bars, which is 12.5 years. I'm not sure if more time would be added on if manslaughter is found, but I highly doubt he gets past both of these murder charges.

It makes a difference because holding someone down is seen as less force than say, striking or using a taser. The fact that a use of force expert said he could have used a higher force option, and acknowledged that using that tactic to subdue someone is the “lesser force” option that most police have been trained to use as opposed to the more forceful options, is going to be meaningful to the defence’s case. It now comes down to the way in which he applied that technique, which appears to be wrong, but I’m not sure it constitutes intentional felony assault unless it can be proven that he was doing it purposefully, as opposed to being negligent.

The distraction argument matters, because he can say that he felt the need to pay attention to the hostile bystanders over Floyd, who was effectively subdued and not a threat in that position.

I’m not saying I necessarily agree with these things, but the defence is doing exactly what they should be with witnesses for the prosecution...poking little holes, and planting seeds of doubt with the jury. They haven’t even brought in their witnesses yet. I personally feel like manslaughter would be appropriate, but this guy could very well walk.

[TonyGe]

The chances QUOTE=Real King Kong;n30846215]

It makes a difference because holding someone down is seen as less force than say, striking or using a taser. The fact that a use of force expert said he could have used a higher force option, and acknowledged that using that tactic to subdue someone is the “lesser force” option that most police have been trained to use as opposed to the more forceful options, is going to be meaningful to the defence’s case. It now comes down to the way in which he applied that technique, which appears to be wrong, but I’m not sure it constitutes intentional felony assault unless it can be proven that he was doing it purposefully, as opposed to being negligent.

The distraction argument matters, because he can say that he felt the need to pay attention to the hostile bystanders over Floyd, who was effectively subdued and not a threat in that position.

I’m not saying I necessarily agree with these things, but the defence is doing exactly what they should be with witnesses for the prosecution...poking little holes, and planting seeds of doubt with the jury. They haven’t even brought in their witnesses yet. I personally feel like manslaughter would be appropriate, but this guy could very well walk.
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The I was distracted theory isn't going to fly. Nobody is going to buy that.
The chances of him walking are slim and none and Slim left town on the last bus.

[TonyGe]

Exactly what numerous people on the forum have been saying since this story broke.

[Chollo Vista]

Minority jail officers were barred from guarding Derek Chauvin, suspect in death of George Floyd, lawsuit alleges

[Chollo Vista]

The government uses the same script against other countries as they do black people

just take a look at some of 93 US war's over the last few hundred year's.

I heard the US did the right thing by taking on the Germans in WW2. But why did they change the names of many of the German ****'s and give them new iden****** to integrate as "white" in America?

I'm just curious.

[JimRaynor]

The government uses the same script against other countries as they do black people

just take a look at some of 93 US war's over the last few hundred year's.

I heard the US did the right thing by taking on the Germans in WW2. But why did they change the names of many of the German ****'s and give them new iden****** to integrate as "white" in America?

I'm just curious.

Because they were brilliant scientists, and if the US hadn’t scooped them up, the Soviet Union would have. Many of them worked on our space program during the Cold War.

[Chollo Vista]

Because they were brilliant scientists, and if the US hadn’t scooped them up, the Soviet Union would have. Many of them worked on our space program during the Cold War.

You don't think Black American's had brilliant minds, scientists, etc during the same time right here in the state's?

They weren't given a new identity and integrated as white. That's for damn sure

[Chollo Vista]

I've seen detectives find killers based off footprints, yet they can't figure out if Chauvin murdered Floyd or not?

[Real King Kong]

The chances QUOTE=Real King Kong;n30846215]

It makes a difference because holding someone down is seen as less force than say, striking or using a taser. The fact that a use of force expert said he could have used a higher force option, and acknowledged that using that tactic to subdue someone is the “lesser force” option that most police have been trained to use as opposed to the more forceful options, is going to be meaningful to the defence’s case. It now comes down to the way in which he applied that technique, which appears to be wrong, but I’m not sure it constitutes intentional felony assault unless it can be proven that he was doing it purposefully, as opposed to being negligent.

The distraction argument matters, because he can say that he felt the need to pay attention to the hostile bystanders over Floyd, who was effectively subdued and not a threat in that position.

I’m not saying I necessarily agree with these things, but the defence is doing exactly what they should be with witnesses for the prosecution...poking little holes, and planting seeds of doubt with the jury. They haven’t even brought in their witnesses yet. I personally feel like manslaughter would be appropriate, but this guy could very well walk.

The I was distracted theory isn't going to fly. Nobody is going to buy that.
The chances of him walking are slim and none and Slim left town on the last bus.[/QUOTE]

Not everyone has to buy it, only a juror or 2 have to believe it’s a reasonable argument. People were yelling at them, and needed to be physically pushed back, another guy was saying he’d slap the **** out of them or whatever. That guy was trying to sound like a tough guy by saying he said that and “meant it”, but that only bolsters the defence’s argument. It seems like people are watching these little snippets of the prosecution questioning their own witnesses, and forgetting to watch the cross examination. Viewed that way, it appears really damning, but in the context of the defence building a reasonable doubt case, it isn’t going too badly for them. Remember, they haven’t even presented their case or called their witnesses.