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    Originally posted by gunners View Post
    Too much emphasis on enforcing 'short-passing' football.

    Football goes through phases, Catenaccio was king in the 50/60s then Total Football took over and now we have everyone jumping on Spain's Tiki-taka bandwagon.

    IMO, we should be focusing on our own style of football (fast, direct, effective) instead of trying to copy another. The reason why we don't have more talented footballers isn't because of how they're trained but because of the **** attitute. Too many youngsters on 15-20k getting told how great they are every week - no wonder the majority of them think they've 'already made it'.



    You need to get away from this, trying to emulate Spain thing, that its some kind of phase, cause its simply a case of trying to improve the way you distribute the ball in order to retain possession, which is essential at this level.

    As I say, its not about trying to copy another teams style, as most!! European, South American teams play a short patient passing game, have been doing for years, its just that Spain have an abundance of CM who can all pass the ball, and because they have been successful recently, people use them as a point of reference, although when all said and done, its nothing to do with Spain, its simply HL's how important technique is, ability to keep the ball.


    Where has (fast, direct, effective) football ever got us? England can barely string 3 quick passes together (precisely) without losing it, which is probably why they prefer to play the long ball, they also over-commit too many players when they play that attacking football, which leaves them open to counter attacks when the move breaks down. If football was simply a matter of attitude, England would of won something post 66, cause the money in the game has only got out of control in the last 20 years or so.


    Germany beat England cause they outnumbered us in the middle of the park, but also because when England try to pass the ball short, they lose tempo, and when they lose tempo, they cant catch the opposition out of position, and so have no options, so they go side ways and backwards, then one of two things happens, either they play too many long balls and surrender possession, or they over-commit men and try to force openings, which is where Germany took us apart.

    I defeated my own argument here, as that suggests that trying to pass the ball short is counter productive, but whats the other option? cause by playing long ball your still constantly turning over possession to the opposition, inviting them to attack you, sooner or later there has to be a shift away from the way we have been playing for the last 40+ years, and luckily, we are starting to produce players who will be able to play that kind of football, so why would you advocate sticking to the same old same old that's failed us time and again?


    It has nothing to do with attitude imo. I remember England fans claiming we lacked heart when Croatia beat us at Wembley, which stopped us going to the Euro, but the truth is, we showed too much heart, and not enough intelligence. England were overcommiting themselves and eventually paid for it.






    Ironically, the heart on the sleeve attitude is why their technique is not very good, as from an early age our players make attitude and endeavor a priority at the expense of their intellengence and technique.
    Last edited by Dynamite Kid; 02-10-2011, 03:07 PM.

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      Originally posted by HOMELESS BUM View Post
      Why want Fabregas when you got the likes of Kaka, Ozil, Alonso.. Kheidra, Diarra.. He is good but so are they
      Ummm maybe cause hes really cute?

      nah but in all seriousness...

      Alonso, Khedira, and Diarra play defensive midfield they play more in the center. They have their own role and Mou rotates them every couple game. Canales and Gago need work they've been pretty ass.

      Now for the attacking midfield its ozil and kaka. Ozil is great but he needs someone to rotate cause after a hard two or three weeks of play 2 games a week he gets pretty **** cause hes burned out.

      Kaka is 100% ok physically but his football isnt there. Hes been getting a bit better lately but ill be surprised if kaka doesnt get the boot in the summer.

      Overall Fabregas is the perfect player Madrid can use.

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        Fabregas will sign for Man Utd before he signs for Madrid.

        Hes Catalonian to the death.

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          Originally posted by Samir Nasri View Post
          Fabregas will sign for Man Utd before he signs for Madrid.

          Hes Catalonian to the death.
          His family is.

          He said in a interview he would play for Real Madrid. He said that his family would respect his decision if its to help his career or something like that.

          He never said "i will never play for Madrid"

          He left the door open. at the right price he will go and become the best midfielder in the world to all the tools that say xavi is the best.

          IMO Fabregas is the best. At Madrid he will be 10x better than what he is in england.

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            Originally posted by dj Cute! View Post
            His family is.

            He said in a interview he would play for Real Madrid. He said that his family would respect his decision if its to help his career or something like that.

            He never said "i will never play for Madrid"

            He left the door open. at the right price he will go and become the best midfielder in the world to all the tools that say xavi is the best.

            IMO Fabregas is the best. At Madrid he will be 10x better than what he is in england.

            If I were Wenger I would want no less than 40 mil, so why, with the players they already have, would they consider paying that?

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              However, with Jose Mourinho’s presence at Real Madrid injecting more spark in Los Blancos?glamorous club, the Spanish giants could tempt Cesc Fabregas to consider landing at the Santiago Bernabeu.
              Speculations from the media in Spain explain that Real Madrid could compete against Barcelona for the signature of the Arsenal midfielder.

              When asked about this issue, Cesc Fabregas told the media:

              “I never said that I wouldn’t want to play for Real Madrid or anything like that. To me, it seems to be a great club.

              “I’ve set myself other objectives. I know what I want, and I know where I want to play, and that’s it. But it’s not that I’m against Madrid or any other club in the world.?/b>

              The Arsenal skipper concluded as he distanced himself from ruling out a move to Real Madrid:

              “However, I have my desires and my objectives as a player. But it’s true that I’m also owned by somebody.?br />



              Money talks. For right price Arsenal will sell him and for the right wage he will gladly go.

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                Originally posted by dj Cute! View Post
                However, with Jose Mourinho’s presence at Real Madrid injecting more spark in Los Blancos?glamorous club, the Spanish giants could tempt Cesc Fabregas to consider landing at the Santiago Bernabeu.
                Speculations from the media in Spain explain that Real Madrid could compete against Barcelona for the signature of the Arsenal midfielder.

                When asked about this issue, Cesc Fabregas told the media:

                “I never said that I wouldn’t want to play for Real Madrid or anything like that. To me, it seems to be a great club.

                “I’ve set myself other objectives. I know what I want, and I know where I want to play, and that’s it. But it’s not that I’m against Madrid or any other club in the world.?/b>

                The Arsenal skipper concluded as he distanced himself from ruling out a move to Real Madrid:

                “However, I have my desires and my objectives as a player. But it’s true that I’m also owned by somebody.?br />



                Money talks. For right price Arsenal will sell him and for the right wage he will gladly go.


                Man that is from time! ago.

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                  Originally posted by Dynamite Kid View Post
                  If I were Wenger I would want no less than 40 mil, so why, with the players they already have, would they consider paying that?
                  This is true. Anything under 40M is a rip off to Arsenal. Cesc is worth 40-60M.

                  Hes that good and is very very young.

                  I heard Madrid are ready to lay 50M down for him but im not sure if its a 100% true statement.

                  Why wouldnt they want him? Kaka is about to be out. leaving just Ozil in the position. With Fabregas in Madrid will get A LOT better. Ozil and Fabregas can be rotated, both are very good and young. If ozil gets hurt Madrid will go to hell cause that boy puts in a lot of work. With Cesc it wont be an issue.

                  Same if u spin it around if cesc gets hurt ozil takes over.

                  Madrid should get cesc, a half assed striker. Maybe a LB cause sometimes Marcelo plays **** and Arbeloa hasnt been that great.

                  I have the feeling Madrid is going to let Benzema and Kaka go in the summer. Benzema will be a legendary striker in the EPL. I been saying this all along and i will be right.

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                    Tell you what, we will sell Diaby to Madrid, and Denilson to Barca, we will chuck in Squill and Almunia just to royally *** them up Lol

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                      Originally posted by dj Cute! View Post
                      This is true. Anything under 40M is a rip off to Arsenal. Cesc is worth 40-60M.

                      Hes that good and is very very young.

                      I heard Madrid are ready to lay 50M down for him but im not sure if its a 100% true statement.

                      Why wouldnt they want him? Kaka is about to be out. leaving just Ozil in the position. With Fabregas in Madrid will get A LOT better. Ozil and Fabregas can be rotated, both are very good and young. If ozil gets hurt Madrid will go to hell cause that boy puts in a lot of work. With Cesc it wont be an issue.

                      Same if u spin it around if cesc gets hurt ozil takes over.

                      Madrid should get cesc, a half assed striker. Maybe a LB cause sometimes Marcelo plays **** and Arbeloa hasnt been that great.

                      I have the feeling Madrid is going to let Benzema and Kaka go in the summer. Benzema will be a legendary striker in the EPL. I been saying this all along and i will be right.


                      I aint that bothered if he goes provided we get adequate money to replace him, he was never as good as Patrick Vieira anyway imo. I told Joe(the United fan on here) last year how it would not be the end of the world if he left, cause we would get lots of money to replace him, that I believed Nasri could do his job, low and behold, Nasri has been our best player this season.



                      Benzema has looked poor in the game I've seen.

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