Restoration Project with an Amateur Boxer Video Training Vlog

[BennyST]

so barry robinson is a ray arcel or angelo dundee? I doubt it. ......Rockin'

Of course he isn't. Forget about Barry. I'm talking about your point in general. Surely, Arcel and Dundee are worthy of respect despite never having fought a pro fight in their lives? I'm not saying you should respect Barry, I'm not including Barry in this at all, I'm saying the viewpoint that just because someone has never fought they can't make a great trainer is clearly wrong. There is irrefutable proof that you absolutely do not need to have fought a single pro fight in your life to be not only a good trainer but a great, legendary trainer. Many of the very, very greatest trainers in the history of the game didn't have one pro fight in their lives.

Nazeem Richardson, Gil Clancy, Emmanuel Steward, Eddie Futch, Ray Arcel, Angelo Dundee......just a few who didn't fight.

Are you saying that these guys aren't any good and thus any future trainer who hasn't fought should immediately be banned from training and never allowed in a gym? Are you saying that because these guys didn't get knocked out by some bum they aren't worthy of training anyone and didn't produce many of the greatest fighters in history?

[BennyST]

Can you tell me about Danny Williams please Barry?

You sure you want to hear about Danny being beaten by some young kid in an ugly fight?

[Rockin']

Of course he isn't. Forget about Barry. I'm talking about your point in general. Surely, Arcel and Dundee are worthy of respect despite never having fought a pro fight in their lives? I'm not saying you should respect Barry, I'm not including Barry in this at all, I'm saying the viewpoint that just because someone has never fought they can't make a great trainer is clearly wrong. There is irrefutable proof that you absolutely do not need to have fought a single pro fight in your life to be not only a good trainer but a great, legendary trainer. Many of the very, very greatest trainers in the history of the game didn't have one pro fight in their lives.

Nazeem Richardson, Gil Clancy, Emmanuel Steward, Eddie Futch, Ray Arcel, Angelo Dundee......just a few who didn't fight.

Are you saying that these guys aren't any good and thus any future trainer who hasn't fought should immediately be banned from training and never allowed in a gym? Are you saying that because these guys didn't get knocked out by some bum they aren't worthy of training anyone and didn't produce many of the greatest fighters in history?

Emanuel never boxed? Eddie Futch? You're sure about that?

I don't know much about those trainers except for Emanuel. Every experience that I had with no fight trainers is that they will work with a guy and if he shows potential he will be handed off to a more knowledgable trainer.

I was simply stating to this guy that working between two different trainers like that will stall his boys progression. He comes back with a sarcastic listen expert remark so I gave it right back to him. I didn't start ****ing with Barry until he got ****ty with me. After that I couldn't care less and just threw shots at him. If it's no big deal being a trainer and having no fights than why was Barry so hesitant to answer the repeated question?

It can be done but for every trainer that makes it never having fought there are hundreds that will never make it. Being good with the pads, which Barry is, is one thing. Knowing the inside of the technical is another. Not only knowing what to do but more so knowing why you do it.

I would venture to guess that Dundee was not with Ali through the amatuers or the olympics. He picked up a stallion of a horse that could already fight, they might have worked on a few things but his foundation was already built by someone else; thats the hard part, building the solid foundation.

Gil Clancy started everybody from scratch right?

I've seen the trainers that never fought, 99% of them are limited. James Toneys amatuer trainer never fought, James was a natural athletic skills carried him until he was hooked up with Bill Miller who helped him to excell. Aswell, a guy named Rasheed Lee was being trained by a guy who had no fights. His record was horrible until he was handed off to Bill Miller who turned Rasheed around very well.

The trainer that I most respect out of your list is Emanuel. He brought most of his boys up from scratch from the amatuers to world professional titles. And I'm just about positive that Steward did indeed fight himself in in the amatuers.

Say what you want 1 out of every couple hundred might be able to produce something from scratch. Barry is the guy who holds the pads, the real trainer is else where half the time. The trainer teaches the fighter and Barry baby sits while he's away and tries to keep him sharp. If having no fight experience is no proiblem then why has Barry not brought up his own boys from scratch?

You have your opinion and I have mine.

In my experience the only trainers that say no fight experience is needed to be a good trainer are the ones with no experience. The trainers with fight experience will disagree..........Rockin'

[BennyST]

Emanuel never boxed? Eddie Futch? You're sure about that?

I don't know much about those trainers except for Emanuel. Every experience that I had with no fight trainers is that they will work with a guy and if he shows potential he will be handed off to a more knowledgable trainer.

I was simply stating to this guy that working between two different trainers like that will stall his boys progression. He comes back with a sarcastic listen expert remark so I gave it right back to him. I didn't start ****ing with Barry until he got ****ty with me. After that I couldn't care less and just threw shots at him. If it's no big deal being a trainer and having no fights than why was Barry so hesitant to answer the repeated question?

It can be done but for every trainer that makes it never having fought there are hundreds that will never make it. Being good with the pads, which Barry is, is one thing. Knowing the inside of the technical is another. Not only knowing what to do but more so knowing why you do it.

I would venture to guess that Dundee was not with Ali through the amatuers or the olympics. He picked up a stallion of a horse that could already fight, they might have worked on a few things but his foundation was already built by someone else; thats the hard part, building the solid foundation.

Gil Clancy started everybody from scratch right?

I've seen the trainers that never fought, 99% of them are limited. James Toneys amatuer trainer never fought, James was a natural athletic skills carried him until he was hooked up with Bill Miller who helped him to excell. Aswell, a guy named Rasheed Lee was being trained by a guy who had no fights. His record was horrible until he was handed off to Bill Miller who turned Rasheed around very well.

The trainer that I most respect out of your list is Emanuel. He brought most of his boys up from scratch from the amatuers to world professional titles. And I'm just about positive that Steward did indeed fight himself in in the amatuers.

Say what you want 1 out of every couple hundred might be able to produce something from scratch. Barry is the guy who holds the pads, the real trainer is else where half the time. The trainer teaches the fighter and Barry baby sits while he's away and tries to keep him sharp. If having no fight experience is no proiblem then why has Barry not brought up his own boys from scratch?

You have your opinion and I have mine.

In my experience the only trainers that say no fight experience is needed to be a good trainer are the ones with no experience. The trainers with fight experience will disagree..........Rockin'

Well, clearly you're a greater trainer that disagrees with Eddie Futch, Ray Arcel, Gil Clancy, Emmanuel Steward, Angelo Dundee etc with more experience than the greatest of all trainers. Yes, I'm sure. Steward quit after his amateur days and Futch wasn't allowed to fight because of a heart murmur.

Well, not to belabor the point, but Barry did indeed answer the question straight away. I think you missed his answer about three times though.

Nonetheless, my point stands. This isn't about Barry, but you questioning that someone who has never fought as a pro can be a good trainer. Clearly they can. I don't care about Barry. I'm not talking about him. He might end up another Dundee, he might not. Whatever. That's not the point.

You were saying that Barry shouldn't or can't train fighters because of his lack of pro fight experience and that you were better because of it. Yet, history has shown that the greatest trainers ever have not had pro experience.

Steward did indeed fight as an amateur, but not pro, which you seem to hold in such desperately high esteem, whether it was one fight against a nobody, or a few against more seems to make no difference. Your point is that unless you've laced em up as a pro, the level being seemingly unimportant, you don't know squat and are undeserving of any respect whatsoever.

Ray Arcel, Eddie Futch, Gil Glancy started legends from scratch. They didn't have a single pro bout between the lot of them. Are they deserving of your respect considering your boxing 'career'?

Just out of curiosity, do you feel as though the guys mentioned above with no pro fight experience could teach you anything about training?

Freddie Roach considers Futch the greatest trainer, and his mentor of course, and teaches all the tricks that he learned from Futch, who said knew more than anyone alive today about every aspect. Roach, a long time good pro, respecting and learning from someone who never fought a single pro fight in their life....Blasphemy.

I reckon Enzo Calzaghe would have been a good trainer for Rockin':


"For fack's sake Rockin', keep your fackin' hands up against Derrick Coleman, you know he's a facking puncher. Are you gonna stop him... or is Derrick Coleman gonna stop you? THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GONNA FACKING GO!"

[Rockin']

Well, clearly you're a greater trainer that disagrees with Eddie Futch, Ray Arcel, Gil Clancy, Emmanuel Steward, Angelo Dundee etc with more experience than the greatest of all trainers. Yes, I'm sure. Steward quit after his amateur days and Futch wasn't allowed to fight because of a heart murmur.

Well, not to belabor the point, but Barry did indeed answer the question straight away. I think you missed his answer about three times though.

Nonetheless, my point stands. This isn't about Barry, but you questioning that someone who has never fought as a pro can be a good trainer. Clearly they can. I don't care about Barry. I'm not talking about him. He might end up another Dundee, he might not. Whatever. That's not the point.

You were saying that Barry shouldn't or can't train fighters because of his lack of pro fight experience and that you were better because of it. Yet, history has shown that the greatest trainers ever have not had pro experience.

Steward did indeed fight as an amateur, but not pro, which you seem to hold in such desperately high esteem, whether it was one fight against a nobody, or a few against more seems to make no difference. Your point is that unless you've laced em up as a pro, the level being seemingly unimportant, you don't know squat and are undeserving of any respect whatsoever.

Ray Arcel, Eddie Futch, Gil Glancy started legends from scratch. They didn't have a single pro bout between the lot of them. Are they deserving of your respect considering your boxing 'career'?

Just out of curiosity, do you feel as though the guys mentioned above with no pro fight experience could teach you anything about training?

Freddie Roach considers Futch the greatest trainer, and his mentor of course, and teaches all the tricks that he learned from Futch, who said knew more than anyone alive today about every aspect. Roach, a long time good pro, respecting and learning from someone who never fought a single pro fight in their life....Blasphemy.

lol, you said blaspheme, so you believe that I am dishonoring these trainers by believing that having fight experience is better than having none?

Having a good amatuer back ground would be great for any trainer, I never once stated that you had to fight pro to be a good trainer.

I also did not say that you can not be a trainer if you never fought pro, or amatuer for that matter. I said that 1 out of 100's might produce something good.

Ofcourse having a good mentor would definately help.

It can be done but like I said most of the times any fighter with true potential will be pulled away from those kind of guys.

I still say that that there is no substitution for real fight experience for a trainer.............Rockin'

[Rockin']

I reckon Enzo Calzaghe would have been a good trainer for Rockin':


"For fack's sake Rockin', keep your fackin' hands up against Derrick Coleman, you know he's a facking puncher. Are you gonna stop him... or is Derrick Coleman gonna stop you? THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GONNA FACKING GO!"

And that's the way that it went, ****ty part is that I was the one who got stopped. I new that I was in trouble when I couldn't find my lucky underwear and had to fight without them on. Damned before the bell even rings.......Rockin'

And that's the way that it went, ****ty part is that I was the one who got stopped. I new that I was in trouble when I couldn't find my lucky underwear and had to fight without them on. Damned before the bell even rings.......Rockin'

Do you like Danny Williams Rockin'?

[Rockin']

Do you like Danny Williams Rockin'?

I don't believe that I've ever seen him fight...........Rockin'

[rorymac]

I reckon Enzo Calzaghe would have been a good trainer for Rockin':


"For fack's sake Rockin', keep your fackin' hands up against Derrick Coleman, you know he's a facking puncher. Are you gonna stop him... or is Derrick Coleman gonna stop you? THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GONNA FACKING GO!"

Haha good impression