Toney-Peter 2: Good For Boxing?

[King Koyle]

All politics and bull**** aside,i'm looking forward to this rematch.The first fight was pretty exciting for a modern heavyweight fight.It was no Lyakhovich/Brewster,but it was certainly a step up from Rahman/Toney.

[GunStar]

You're right we should keep all that secret. In your view, even to mention it is "hating." Nothing like the facts to get in the way of a good story.

OK let me ask you a few questions.

Did Toney needed steroids to beat Ruiz??

Was Ruiz, Rahman & Peter were not in the top 10???

Toney only had 6 fights in his career at the HW division, can you please name the boxers with a better resume in their last 6 fights in the HW division??

Does Toney only wants big fights??

Does Toney duck anyone???

Answer my questions Mr. Writer???

[JEBoxing]

OK let me ask you a few questions.

Did Toney needed steroids to beat Ruiz??

Was Ruiz, Rahman & Peter were not in the top 10???

Toney only had 6 fights in his career at the HW division, can you please name the boxers with a better resume in their last 6 fights in the HW division??

Does Toney only wants big fights??

Does Toney duck anyone???

Answer my questions Mr. Writer???

All good questions.

We can't know if Toney needed steroids to beat Ruiz. Just at least consider the possibility of what effect it had on their fight. Steroids have many possible effects: They allow an athlete to compete harder, longer. Secondly they allow quicker recuperation from exertion. Both are of immense help to a fighter. Did they make "the" difference? No one can say with full assurance. The same measure could be applied to a sudden crop of baseball players who hit an enormous number of home runs and are found to have used such substances. Would they have hit the homeruns anyway?

As to your point about Ruiz, Rahman, and Peter..... all three were definitely top 10. What's important to note, however, is that he didn't beat any of them. Ruiz (NC12), Rahman (D12), and Peter (L12). I certainly agree with your opinion that he should have received the nod against Peter, but unless there is some kind of legal impropriety on the part of the judges that we don't know about the decision stands.

Does Toney only want big fights? Absolutely and he should (and does) garner credit for it.

His record as a heavyweight is 3-1-1 with 1NC (and 1 KO), which is not especially glittering on its own. But, taken with the length and breadth of his entire career, his age, the physical advantages he gives up, it is good. Each of his bouts that he did not win, again Ruiz, Rahman, and Peter were against rated fighters.

The following are records of other notable heavyweights over their last six fights: Oleg Maskaev 6-0 (4 KOs) (including a KO of Rahman); Wladimir Klitschko 5-1 (3 KOs) (including a KO of Byrd and decisons over the ranked Peter and Williamson); Calvin Brock 6-0 (3 KOs) (including victories over the then-ranked Jameel McCline and undefeated Timor Ibragimov); and Serguei Liakhovich 6-0 (3 KOs) (inlcuding a win over Lamon Brewster), to name a few.

On balance it can be said that Toney is competing better than would be expected of a former middleweight titlist, but he is certainly not dominating the division.

The bottom line is that my beef is with the WBC and its willingness to circumvent its own stated procedures (remember Toney gained his initial shot at Rahman by bounding over the then-number one Maskaev to be given a "mandatory" shot). Then while the Toney-Peter bout was to be a deciding fight for title shot, he again gets another chance despite the decision.

You can differ with me on the opinion but the facts are what they are.

[Bozo_no no]

The bottom line is that my beef is with the WBC and its willingness to circumvent its own stated procedures (remember Toney gained his initial shot at Rahman by bounding over the then-number one Maskaev to be given a "mandatory" shot). Then while the Toney-Peter bout was to be a deciding fight for title shot, he again gets another chance despite the decision.

Funny, because the bigger beef a real fan should have with the WBC would be:

A) How a fighter like Oleg Maskaev recieved a top ranking in the 1st place

and

B) Why the WBC allowed it's title to be tied up for another half a year by allowing Maskaev a BS defense agaisnt a BS opponent.

Both of those points are far more curious than mandating a rematch for what was obviously a very embarassing and curious contraversial decision.

[JEBoxing]

Funny, because the bigger beef a real fan should have with the WBC would be:

A) How a fighter like Oleg Maskaev recieved a top ranking in the 1st place

and

B) Why the WBC allowed it's title to be tied up for another half a year by allowing Maskaev a BS defense agaisnt a BS opponent.

Both of those points are far more curious than mandating a rematch for what was obviously a very embarassing and curious contraversial decision.

No dispute with that. The WBC's recent decision to allow him a defense against Peter Okhello is a travesty. Okhello has never been remotely close to defeating a "name" opponent. He was thoroughly outclassed by Sinan Samil Sam.

[Bozo_no no]

No dispute with that. The WBC's recent decision to allow him a defense against Peter Okhello is a travesty. Okhello has never been remotely close to defeating a "name" opponent. He was thoroughly outclassed by Sinan Samil Sam.

Amen to that.

Toney said it best himself:

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[yrrej]

Two losers..........

[GunStar]

All good questions.

We can't know if Toney needed steroids to beat Ruiz. Just at least consider the possibility of what effect it had on their fight. Steroids have many possible effects: They allow an athlete to compete harder, longer. Secondly they allow quicker recuperation from exertion. Both are of immense help to a fighter. Did they make "the" difference? No one can say with full assurance. The same measure could be applied to a sudden crop of baseball players who hit an enormous number of home runs and are found to have used such substances. Would they have hit the homeruns anyway?

As to your point about Ruiz, Rahman, and Peter..... all three were definitely top 10. What's important to note, however, is that he didn't beat any of them. Ruiz (NC12), Rahman (D12), and Peter (L12). I certainly agree with your opinion that he should have received the nod against Peter, but unless there is some kind of legal impropriety on the part of the judges that we don't know about the decision stands.

Does Toney only want big fights? Absolutely and he should (and does) garner credit for it.

His record as a heavyweight is 3-1-1 with 1NC (and 1 KO), which is not especially glittering on its own. But, taken with the length and breadth of his entire career, his age, the physical advantages he gives up, it is good. Each of his bouts that he did not win, again Ruiz, Rahman, and Peter were against rated fighters.

The following are records of other notable heavyweights over their last six fights: Oleg Maskaev 6-0 (4 KOs) (including a KO of Rahman); Wladimir Klitschko 5-1 (3 KOs) (including a KO of Byrd and decisons over the ranked Peter and Williamson); Calvin Brock 6-0 (3 KOs) (including victories over the then-ranked Jameel McCline and undefeated Timor Ibragimov); and Serguei Liakhovich 6-0 (3 KOs) (inlcuding a win over Lamon Brewster), to name a few.

On balance it can be said that Toney is competing better than would be expected of a former middleweight titlist, but he is certainly not dominating the division.

The bottom line is that my beef is with the WBC and its willingness to circumvent its own stated procedures (remember Toney gained his initial shot at Rahman by bounding over the then-number one Maskaev to be given a "mandatory" shot). Then while the Toney-Peter bout was to be a deciding fight for title shot, he again gets another chance despite the decision.

You can differ with me on the opinion but the facts are what they are.

Yes anyone with a little brain can tell that Toney did not need any steroids to beat Ruiz, maybe you can't tell but most people that watched this sport over the years can easily tell that Toney did not need any steroids to beat Ruiz. But again the Toney haters will always love to bring up the steroids. Admit you hate Toney!

The point is Toney's last 6 fights resume is better then anyone you have mentioned, again unless your a Toney hater!