Comments Thread For: Hearn Expects Tyson Fury To 'School' Deontay Wilder in Trilogy

[El_Mero]

Unless theyre a Wilder fanboy, everyone expects the same!

[Roberto Vasquez]

Him being a good elusive boxer doesn't need any explanation, that's just a fact. As for taking more solid punches, he probably took more in the McDermott and Chisora fights than the other top guys have in their entire career. Being a good elusive boxer doesn't mean you don't get hit and getting hit doesn't mean you're not a good elusive boxer. Besides, as we've seen on numerous occasions, Fury doesn't always fight off the back foot. He's often decided to plant his feet and trade.

You say Fury isn't the number one ranked heavyweight because he's only beat one top five ranked opponent in five years, but
why is Wilder considered a top five heavyweight anyway? Because he went 30 fights knocking over below average opponents and legitimate cruiserweights that were paid to move up in weight lol held a title hostage for five years and only faced two decent fighters (and struggled in all four fights) in his ten year, 42 fight career. Compare the opponents that all the other top heavyweights faced in their first 25 fights and it's embarrassing for Wilder.

So Wilder being viewed as a top five fighter doesn't really mean much. It has no bearing on him losing to Fury 29 times out of 30. Wilder loses to Fury 29 times out of 30 because Wilder is an awful boxer that only has one attribute, whereas Fury is the more superior boxer with all the physical and mental advantages and has Wilder completely figured out.

And just to note, I don't think Fury is the number one ranked heavyweight because rankings are solely based on opponents faced, which makes AJ the legitimate number one ranked as he's beaten the most independently ranked (not sanctioning body) top ten heavyweights. However, Fury is undoubtedly the most skilled, making him the best. Anybody that thinks otherwise needs to give their head a good ol' wobble.

From the first fight Fury/Wilder Fight "According to CompuBox statistics, Wilder landed 71 punches of 430 thrown (17%), and Fury landed 84 of his 327 thrown (26%)"

If Wilder is that bad a boxer how come Fury only out-landed him by 13 punches over 12 rounds? Fury made Wilder look bad at times in that fight which tends to make people forget that Wilder still landed 71 punches on him. Fury is skillful - but it makes people ignore when he gets hit.

And as for you saying "Who has Wilder beaten?" he beat Ortiz and Stiverne. Both old guys for sure. But Wlad was old when Fury beat him too. Fury gets a pass on that but Wilder doesn't?

And if Wilder is that bad - then the only really decent boxer Fury ever beat was an old Wlad.(who he refused a rematch to) So....

My whole thing about Fury - is just that he just can't be that good - or he would have fought more top-level fighters by now and he would have at least defended a belt! He's probably 4 fights (at most) from retirement and we are still talking about him as partly unknown with zero-title defences

[Roberto Vasquez]

Majority of Boxing insiders, analysts, writers, commentators had Fury winning the 1st fight......and we will see about the 3rd - anything can happen in HW boxing! But don’t see Wilder being able to do anything different when Fury puts him on his back foot and overpowers him on the inside again!

I thought Fury won it - but he was still lucky the ref didn't wave him off - as usually happens. And if you are ending up on the canvas twice then you are always playing the odds as to whether you get up or not. Next time Fury may not be so lucky.

There is no way if Fury wins the third fight - it will be as easy as the 2nd fight. You never see the same fight again in boxing...

[Squared.Circle]

From the first fight Fury/Wilder Fight "According to CompuBox statistics, Wilder landed 71 punches of 430 thrown (17%), and Fury landed 84 of his 327 thrown (26%)"

If Wilder is that bad a boxer how come Fury only out-landed him by 13 punches over 12 rounds? Fury made Wilder look bad at times in that fight which tends to make people forget that Wilder still landed 71 punches on him. Fury is skillful - but it makes people ignore when he gets hit.

And as for you saying "Who has Wilder beaten?" he beat Ortiz and Stiverne. Both old guys for sure. But Wlad was old when Fury beat him too. Fury gets a pass on that but Wilder doesn't?

And if Wilder is that bad - then the only really decent boxer Fury ever beat was an old Wlad.(who he refused a rematch to) So....

My whole thing about Fury - is just that he just can't be that good - or he would have fought more top-level fighters by now and he would have at least defended a belt! He's probably 4 fights (at most) from retirement and we are still talking about him as partly unknown with zero-title defences

CompuBox never tells the story, just gives the figures. Landed is clean punches that land with the scoring area of the glove, missed punches include the ones that don't land clean on a scoring area; punches landing on the gloves, forearms or shoulders. I'd say it's a safe bet that the majority of punches that Fury didn't score hit Wilder's gloves and arms, whereas Wilder (who missed 100 more, by the way lol), were more often than not full blown misses or comfortably parried.

Did you really just mention Stiverne? I'm not even going to to answer that. As for Ortiz, yea, he's the only clear above average fighter (besides Fury) that Wilder has faced, and struggled terribly. Wilder being a terrible boxer isn't a secret, it's a fact lol him being able to land a punch doesn't mean he can box, it just means he can throw a punch.

Fury has beat more solid opposition than Wilder, that's not even up for debate. I'm not saying the opposition are top notch, but they're far better than Wilder's. Taking Ortiz out of these equations, even Hammer is better than anybody on Wilder's resume. I think Chisora would light up Wilder's entire resume. Wallin would definitely be better than anybody on Wilder's resume. I'd argue that Schwartz would batter the vast majority of them too. Without his get out of jail free card, Wilder would have about 10 losses by now. It would be daft for anybody to try and argue that lol

The whole thing about "Fury hasn't really fought anybody and never defended a belt"...that's simply because he had his wobble and was out the game for three years. Without that three year gap, it's another safe bet that Fury would have handled Klitschko in the same manner in a rematch (the notion that Fury ducked the rematch is just silly, he completely befuddled the man. Had 99% of the fight his own way. What was there to duck? Lol), taken Wilder's belt much earlier, taken the IBF not long after AJ picked it up and then easily mopped up the rest.

I'll say it again, take Wilder's power away and you just have a tall guy with the ability of an amateur national level career fighter lol

[Laligalaliga]

When all else fails, when the “American takeover” is revealed as a total failure, when you no longer have the “billion dollar budget”, when your app falls apart, when you are relegated to fights in someone’s backyard/garden, when your leading contender gets bingo’d, when you’re begging for fights other the likes of Top Rank and Golden Boy, I guess the only thing left to energise the EDL/BF incels is good old fashioned bashing of the American former champion who you created a multi-year long campaign to soil and discredit

All this is just lamentation of a drowning fan. Get a life bro.

[Roberto Vasquez]

CompuBox never tells the story, just gives the figures. Landed is clean punches that land with the scoring area of the glove, missed punches include the ones that don't land clean on a scoring area; punches landing on the gloves, forearms or shoulders. I'd say it's a safe bet that the majority of punches that Fury didn't score hit Wilder's gloves and arms, whereas Wilder (who missed 100 more, by the way lol), were more often than not full blown misses or comfortably parried.

Did you really just mention Stiverne? I'm not even going to to answer that. As for Ortiz, yea, he's the only clear above average fighter (besides Fury) that Wilder has faced, and struggled terribly. Wilder being a terrible boxer isn't a secret, it's a fact lol him being able to land a punch doesn't mean he can box, it just means he can throw a punch.

Fury has beat more solid opposition than Wilder, that's not even up for debate. I'm not saying the opposition are top notch, but they're far better than Wilder's. Taking Ortiz out of these equations, even Hammer is better than anybody on Wilder's resume. I think Chisora would light up Wilder's entire resume. Wallin would definitely be better than anybody on Wilder's resume. I'd argue that Schwartz would batter the vast majority of them too. Without his get out of jail free card, Wilder would have about 10 losses by now. It would be daft for anybody to try and argue that lol

The whole thing about "Fury hasn't really fought anybody and never defended a belt"...that's simply because he had his wobble and was out the game for three years. Without that three year gap, it's another safe bet that Fury would have handled Klitschko in the same manner in a rematch (the notion that Fury ducked the rematch is just silly, he completely befuddled the man. Had 99% of the fight his own way. What was there to duck? Lol), taken Wilder's belt much earlier, taken the IBF not long after AJ picked it up and then easily mopped up the rest.

I'll say it again, take Wilder's power away and you just have a tall guy with the ability of an amateur national level career fighter lol

Funny you are mentioning Stiverne but not mentioning Schwarz, Wallin, points victory over Pianeta etc. Now you are saying Wilder is useless too. Just who has Fury beaten then? Derek Chisora that's who. Great!

Dude - Fury was effectively banned for 2 years and then framed it as a mental health issue. He beat Wlad while on PEDs - that fight is void! That's why there was no rematch.

IF Fury fights top quality opposition every fight from now - he gets my respect (I couldn't care less if he loses) but if he fights AJ and just retires like I think he will do - then who cares?

[champion4ever]

It should have read "Hearn expects Tyson to get his ass knocked out against Wilder in the trilogy". There is no way that Fury can win this fight now after all these revelations have come out about him.

He is going to be under very intense scrutiny for this trilogy. Wilder's people are very curious now and suspects subterfuge in their rematch and they will be damned if they allow it to happen to them again.

They are going to work the living Hell out of the referee, the officials and the commission in order to gain every concession they can get. They are going to select Fury's brand of gloves, handwraps, to having a member of Team Wilder present in Fury's dressing room at all times.

In addition, to having someone present during his ring walk.

[Squared.Circle]

Funny you are mentioning Stiverne but not mentioning Schwarz, Wallin, points victory over Pianeta etc. Now you are saying Wilder is useless too. Just who has Fury beaten then? Derek Chisora that's who. Great!

Dude - Fury was effectively banned for 2 years and then framed it as a mental health issue. He beat Wlad while on PEDs - that fight is void! That's why there was no rematch.

IF Fury fights top quality opposition every fight from now - he gets my respect (I couldn't care less if he loses) but if he fights AJ and just retires like I think he will do - then who cares?

I'm slightly confused...I didn't mention Stiverne but I did mention Wallin and Schwartz lol

And come on, Wilder really is useless lol he can generate insane power for basically a lanky cruiserweight, but that's literally it. He was comfortably out boxed by the likes of Gerald Washington and Szpilka up until he stopped them. Had a tough fight with Eric fúcking Molina for shít sake lol

Fury actually wasn't banned until after the ban ended lol the case was pending for like eighteen months and then UKAD came to an agreement and backdated the suspension. Irrelevant though, he could have continued to fight. Hughie fought another two or three times while the case was on going.

Fury's elevated levels of nandrolone had nothing to do with him befuddling Klitschko. Them nandrolone levels didn't give Fury his tactics for that fight, which is what gave him the win. PEDs are cheating, because they're banned substances, but let's be honest...how much advantage do they really give? Seriously? Unless they're being used repeatedly, like, literally every single time a fighter trains, they're not gonna do much of anything. To have a substantial gain from PEDs you have to do be on them almost all year round.

I will agree with you about his retirement though; I see him ****ing Wilder out again, taking two fights with AJ then more than likely retiring, which is unfortunate. However, if (more than likely when) he beats Wilder for a third time and AJ twice, that will mean he's beat the top three reigning heavyweights from the last two decades; one who reigned supreme for ten years and the other two who have been ranked in the top three for the last three to five years. Doesn't really matter about Whyte, Ortiz, Ruiz, Povetkin or the up-and-comers. I'm not saying I wouldn't want to see him continue beating those guys to solidify his ultimate legacy, but that legacy will still be there without them.

[REDEEMER]

You can't have it both ways - either Fury is a good elusive boxer OR he takes more hard shots than any current HW. Personally I think it's very rare to see his head rocked back, he very rarely gets caught like that.

As for saying Fury wins 29 out of 30 meetings between himself and Wilder that is just a misunderstanding of top-level sport. Wilder is def top-5. There is no way any top-5 sportsman would lose 29 game/matches against the world no. 1 (if Fury is that, which is debatable). That's just you believing Fury's hype.

There is no other sport where a guy gets to be world no.1 after beating one guy in the current top-10 in almost 5 years....

Boxing is 50% hype. The only reason anyone is unbeaten is because they picked fights (Fury!). Wilder picked Fury because he was fat and retired but he made a mistake. Otherwise Wilder would still be unbeaten too.

A lot of this is true however if Wilder cannot knock you out he would lose a lot . He would never beat Ortiz and some guys like even Arreola May have bulled him in the ring without getting stunned ,other fights like Duhaupus is probably a toss up ,Molina ,Szpilka and Breazeale beat him to that’s how poor his skills are without having power as his main asset .


So there’s some truth that Fury probably defeats Wilder 9 out of 10 times because in two fights he ate his shots ,mostly because of the 6”9 angle and Fury fights on his toes which takes away that windmill power coming down with more force . If Wilder cannot maintain center ring and stop Fury he can’t win ,doing both of these is very unlikely. The one time Wilder had his best chance was when Fury had a completely different game plan and had less weight on him and not near the shape he came in for the rematch,that boat sailed .

[LoadedWraps]

I'm slightly confused...I didn't mention Stiverne but I did mention Wallin and Schwartz lol

And come on, Wilder really is useless lol he can generate insane power for basically a lanky cruiserweight, but that's literally it. He was comfortably out boxed by the likes of Gerald Washington and Szpilka up until he stopped them. Had a tough fight with Eric fúcking Molina for shít sake lol

Fury actually wasn't banned until after the ban ended lol the case was pending for like eighteen months and then UKAD came to an agreement and backdated the suspension. Irrelevant though, he could have continued to fight. Hughie fought another two or three times while the case was on going.

Fury's elevated levels of nandrolone had nothing to do with him befuddling Klitschko. Them nandrolone levels didn't give Fury his tactics for that fight, which is what gave him the win. PEDs are cheating, because they're banned substances, but let's be honest...how much advantage do they really give? Seriously? Unless they're being used repeatedly, like, literally every single time a fighter trains, they're not gonna do much of anything. To have a substantial gain from PEDs you have to do be on them almost all year round.

I will agree with you about his retirement though; I see him ****ing Wilder out again, taking two fights with AJ then more than likely retiring, which is unfortunate. However, if (more than likely when) he beats Wilder for a third time and AJ twice, that will mean he's beat the top three reigning heavyweights from the last two decades; one who reigned supreme for ten years and the other two who have been ranked in the top three for the last three to five years. Doesn't really matter about Whyte, Ortiz, Ruiz, Povetkin or the up-and-comers. I'm not saying I wouldn't want to see him continue beating those guys to solidify his ultimate legacy, but that legacy will still be there without them.

I agree with a lot here.


I also hope Fury defends the titles as undisputed, as kingpin, for years and tries to shatter the record for most title defenses all time. I want all.the mandatories enforced and the most dangerous killers thrown at him.