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    Originally posted by Squared.Circle View Post
    The evidence of any su****ion surrounding the padding in Fury's gloves were handed to the athletic commission; the gloves. The evidence that there was no wrong doing comes from the athletic commission in the form of no official statement. If there was any issue whatsoever, the athletic commission would have said and more likely than not criminal charges would have been filed.

    The whole "Fury somehow repeatedly moved his fist into the wrist area of his glove, and back up again" (kind of funny how it's shifted from that universally held conspiracy theory) was more credible than no padding. There were too many checks (Athletic commission before the fight, referee at the start of the fight, athletic commission after the fight) and literally no evidence, circumstantial or otherwise.

    Fury's innocence is not presumed, it's proven. There's no guilt to be proved, it's assumed by people that bought into the godly myth of Wilder and are still shell shocked, looking for answers of how and why lol

    The conspiracy theories of Fury cheating against Wilder are like flat earth or nanothermite taking down the towers on 9/11; best kept to yourself to save any embarrassment
    Well said.

    Honestly the accusations and conspiracy theories are ridiculous, and the examples of flat earthers and 9/11 thermite theories are spot on.

    Just like you'll find 9/11 tin hat wearers using dissonance and using every fallacy known, so do boxing fans when they are on some delusional crusade. We had to deal with the same tired cycle for the Floyd/Pacquiao fight. Thread after thread after thread about IVs, drugs, anything under the sun except the actual literal beating in the ring. So petty to look for excuses and denial and for ways to discredit someone.

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      Originally posted by LoadedWraps View Post
      Well said.

      Honestly the accusations and conspiracy theories are ridiculous, and the examples of flat earthers and 9/11 thermite theories are spot on.

      Just like you'll find 9/11 tin hat wearers using dissonance and using every fallacy known, so do boxing fans when they are on some delusional crusade. We had to deal with the same tired cycle for the Floyd/Pacquiao fight. Thread after thread after thread about IVs, drugs, anything under the sun except the actual literal beating in the ring. So petty to look for excuses and denial and for ways to discredit someone.
      I agree with it all. And crusade is a perfect analogy lol

      If a man gets beat, just accept it. I was firmly on the Pacquiao hype train when he fought Mayweather, but he lost fair and square. Injury or not, the result would be the same ten times out of ten.

      I'm a big AJ fan, but there's no excuse or conspiracy theory in him losing to Ruiz; he just got caught with a big shot in the right place, wasn't able to fully recover and employed the wrong game plan. The better man won on the night.

      People can support their favourite boxer all they want. Almost all of us make bias predictions that go the other way (we're not just fans of the sport, we're fans of the boxers as well), when that happens, leave the tin foil hat and rose tinted glasses in the closet and just enjoy the action that was given. Otherwise, buying into and making up conspiracy theories will only leave a bitter taste in the conspiracy theorists mouth and somewhat ruin their enjoyment of the sport, as we've all seen by the Wildette fruitbaskets posting on BoxingScene lol

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        Originally posted by IRONCHINHAGLER View Post
        anything is possible in boxing Bro...but FACT remains Wilder has had 19 rds with Fury and NO KO....and the 2nd Fight had Fury coming forward and the aggressor and couldn’t even get a knockdown!!!!
        Wilder was done after the back/side of the head shot but Fury couldn't finish him. The corner had to throw the towel in a few rounds later to stop Wilder going the full 12 rounds taking damage

        I think Wilder surprises Fury in the 3rd fight. He is being underestimated because of a poor-2nd-outing. But let's see

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          Originally posted by Roberto Vasquez View Post
          Wilder was done after the back/side of the head shot but Fury couldn't finish him. The corner had to throw the towel in a few rounds later to stop Wilder going the full 12 rounds taking damage

          I think Wilder surprises Fury in the 3rd fight. He is being underestimated because of a poor-2nd-outing. But let's see
          according to Wilder - he was “done” after the “heavy” pre-fight costume!!Lol! And He would Not have went the full 12 with Fury...he was taking and azz-whipping from the opening rd! Wilder can’t fight off his back foot - Fury exposed that to the max!! Wilder is one trick pony...don’t know how he could “surprise” Fury at this point. Fury already outboxed him in the 1st fight, and then came forward and overpowered him in the 2nd beatdown!
          Last edited by IRONCHINHAGLER; 09-02-2020, 03:43 PM.

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            Originally posted by IRONCHINHAGLER View Post
            according to Wilder - he was “done” after the “heavy” pre-fight costume!!Lol! And He would Not have went the full 12 with Fury...he was taking and azz-whipping from the opening rd! Wilder can’t fight off his back foot - Fury exposed that to the max!! Wilder is one trick pony...don’t know how he could “surprise” Fury at this point. Fury already outboxed him in the 1st fight, and then came forward and overpowered him in the 2nd beatdown!
            The punch stats for the first fight were very close and Fury ended up on the canvas twice so I think you are being over-confident there. But let's see on the night....

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              Does anyone really want to see a trilogy? It isn't that exciting when by the 8th round Wilder has only thrown two punches.

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                Originally posted by Roberto Vasquez View Post
                The punch stats for the first fight were very close and Fury ended up on the canvas twice so I think you are being over-confident there. But let's see on the night....
                Majority of Boxing insiders, analysts, writers, commentators had Fury winning the 1st fight......and we will see about the 3rd - anything can happen in HW boxing! But don’t see Wilder being able to do anything different when Fury puts him on his back foot and overpowers him on the inside again!

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                  Originally posted by Squared.Circle View Post
                  He really did land solid right hands in the first few rounds of the second fight though. Flush. The majority of punches Wilder actually managed to land were as Fury was turning his head away which lessened the impact, but there were definitely two or three that landed flush, and just bounced off.

                  As for the Cunningham knockdown, that was a case of a perfect punch catching Fury while his feet were in a bad position. If you watch that back you'll see his back foot is on his toes (almost completely off the canvas) as he was moving backwards. That was balance, not durability. Throughout his career Fury has probably taken more solid shots from legitimate heavyweights than AJ and Wilder combined. As well as the fact he took Wilder's best, one of which was **** on the side of the head as Fury was already going down, maximising the impact. Fury definitely has one of the best chins there is.

                  At least "my daughter beat me on the PlayStation last night, I was still mad about it today, that's why I lost", is a more believable excuse than "my Black Panther outfit was too heavy"



                  The knockdown I'm referring to in the first fight was the first one. I was comparing it to Fury's knockdown over Wilder; (a lot of) people saying that Fury hit him behind the head, which was an "illegal punch", causing Wilder to become discombobulated and took his ability to recover. It is literally the same shot Wilder caught Fury with in the first fight, yet he got up fine and continued to outbox Wilder. Who exactly is supposed to be the feather fisted fighter out of the two? Lol

                  I'd have to disagree with your Fury winning ratio. I'd say Fury wins 29 times out of 30; the one that Wilder wins is the occasion that Fury comes in too complacent. As for the more Fury is in the ring with Wilder, I'd say it becomes less likely that Wilder lands his punch. He's proven countless times he can't fight off the back foot or deal very well with pressure, so I doubt Fury will make the same mistakes as he did in the first fight; fighting off the back foot, trying to duck while standing stationary directly in front of Wilder.

                  People talk a lot about blueprints to beat a fighter. Sometimes it's true, sometimes it's not. But in Wilder's case, I think it's true. A strong fighter of equal size to Wilder with solid power and decent speed that can pressure him and back him up will get the same result as Fury.
                  You can't have it both ways - either Fury is a good elusive boxer OR he takes more hard shots than any current HW. Personally I think it's very rare to see his head rocked back, he very rarely gets caught like that.

                  As for saying Fury wins 29 out of 30 meetings between himself and Wilder that is just a misunderstanding of top-level sport. Wilder is def top-5. There is no way any top-5 sportsman would lose 29 game/matches against the world no. 1 (if Fury is that, which is debatable). That's just you believing Fury's hype.

                  There is no other sport where a guy gets to be world no.1 after beating one guy in the current top-10 in almost 5 years....

                  Boxing is 50% hype. The only reason anyone is unbeaten is because they picked fights (Fury!). Wilder picked Fury because he was fat and retired but he made a mistake. Otherwise Wilder would still be unbeaten too.

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                    Originally posted by Squared.Circle View Post
                    I agree with it all. And crusade is a perfect analogy lol

                    If a man gets beat, just accept it. I was firmly on the Pacquiao hype train when he fought Mayweather, but he lost fair and square. Injury or not, the result would be the same ten times out of ten.

                    I'm a big AJ fan, but there's no excuse or conspiracy theory in him losing to Ruiz; he just got caught with a big shot in the right place, wasn't able to fully recover and employed the wrong game plan. The better man won on the night.

                    People can support their favourite boxer all they want. Almost all of us make bias predictions that go the other way (we're not just fans of the sport, we're fans of the boxers as well), when that happens, leave the tin foil hat and rose tinted glasses in the closet and just enjoy the action that was given. Otherwise, buying into and making up conspiracy theories will only leave a bitter taste in the conspiracy theorists mouth and somewhat ruin their enjoyment of the sport, as we've all seen by the Wildette fruitbaskets posting on BoxingScene lol
                    Well said man, I agree.

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                      Originally posted by Roberto Vasquez View Post
                      You can't have it both ways - either Fury is a good elusive boxer OR he takes more hard shots than any current HW. Personally I think it's very rare to see his head rocked back, he very rarely gets caught like that.

                      As for saying Fury wins 29 out of 30 meetings between himself and Wilder that is just a misunderstanding of top-level sport. Wilder is def top-5. There is no way any top-5 sportsman would lose 29 game/matches against the world no. 1 (if Fury is that, which is debatable). That's just you believing Fury's hype.

                      There is no other sport where a guy gets to be world no.1 after beating one guy in the current top-10 in almost 5 years....

                      Boxing is 50% hype. The only reason anyone is unbeaten is because they picked fights (Fury!). Wilder picked Fury because he was fat and retired but he made a mistake. Otherwise Wilder would still be unbeaten too.
                      Him being a good elusive boxer doesn't need any explanation, that's just a fact. As for taking more solid punches, he probably took more in the McDermott and Chisora fights than the other top guys have in their entire career. Being a good elusive boxer doesn't mean you don't get hit and getting hit doesn't mean you're not a good elusive boxer. Besides, as we've seen on numerous occasions, Fury doesn't always fight off the back foot. He's often decided to plant his feet and trade.

                      You say Fury isn't the number one ranked heavyweight because he's only beat one top five ranked opponent in five years, but
                      why is Wilder considered a top five heavyweight anyway? Because he went 30 fights knocking over below average opponents and legitimate cruiserweights that were paid to move up in weight lol held a title hostage for five years and only faced two decent fighters (and struggled in all four fights) in his ten year, 42 fight career. Compare the opponents that all the other top heavyweights faced in their first 25 fights and it's embarrassing for Wilder.

                      So Wilder being viewed as a top five fighter doesn't really mean much. It has no bearing on him losing to Fury 29 times out of 30. Wilder loses to Fury 29 times out of 30 because Wilder is an awful boxer that only has one attribute, whereas Fury is the more superior boxer with all the physical and mental advantages and has Wilder completely figured out.

                      And just to note, I don't think Fury is the number one ranked heavyweight because rankings are solely based on opponents faced, which makes AJ the legitimate number one ranked as he's beaten the most independently ranked (not sanctioning body) top ten heavyweights. However, Fury is undoubtedly the most skilled, making him the best. Anybody that thinks otherwise needs to give their head a good ol' wobble.

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