Can we say that Usyk is arguably the greatest cruiserweight ever

[PRINCEKOOL]

Em what? No. The peakaboo style is essentially a creation of Frazier's, at least the term wasn't popularised until he came about. The Bob and weave style, using deadly hooks and uppercuts to destroy your foe on the inside, that's part of the peakaboo style, they're inside fighters. That's what Tyson and Frazier did. Are you deliberately trolling right now? Because you just said something so patently untrue that it's actually bafflingly ******.

Mike Tyson fought at mid-range, Joe Frazier is has more in common with Ricky Hatton 'Most fighters do not want to be close up, where as Frazier and Hatton relished this environment' Mike Tyson could fight on the inside, but typically he did not always want to etc

When Tyson fought Holyfield 'Holyfield deliberately took it on the inside' at times.

[BoloShot]

Mike Tyson fought at mid-range, Joe Frazier is has more in common with Ricky Hatton 'Most fighters do not want to be close up, where as Frazier and Hatton relished this environment' Mike Tyson could fight on the inside, but typically he did not always want to etc

When Tyson fought Holyfield 'Holyfield deliberately took it on the inside' at times.

But that's not true though, everyone on Earth with a brain recognises that Tyson and Frazier had peakaboo styles. Tyson ripped hooks and uppercuts in close, he wasn't going to give his opponents space to swing back and he never did. He bobbed, weaved, got inside and ripped off hooks just like Frazier. Holyfield was just a better inside fighter. That's why he beat Tyson at it. Not to mention that Tyson wasn't nearly as good at the peakaboo style as an in form Tyson was.

[PRINCEKOOL]

But that's not true though, everyone on Earth with a brain recognises that Tyson and Frazier had peakaboo styles. Tyson ripped hooks and uppercuts in close, he wasn't going to give his opponents space to swing back and he never did. He bobbed, weaved, got inside and ripped off hooks just like Frazier. Holyfield was just a better inside fighter. That's why he beat Tyson at it. Not to mention that Tyson wasn't nearly as good at the peakaboo style as an in form Tyson was.

Well yes you are correct.

But Mike Tyson was also a fighter that liked to MOSTLY fight at mid-range, and was a counter puncher.

Joe Frazier was more of straight up pressure fighter, who just wanted to get up close then then rip your apart 'Ricky Hatton was also the same, but Frazier with his bob and wave style was more menacing'.

Without a shadow of doubt Mike Tyson could fight on the inside 'But there was a certain range where he would light up potent, and that was mostly mid-range'.

Mike Tyson vs Muhammad Ali? I am neutral on that one, I like both fighters and always fight Tyson's corner around here.

[IronDanHamza]

Em what? No. The peakaboo style is essentially a creation of Frazier's, at least the term wasn't popularised until he came about. The Bob and weave style, using deadly hooks and uppercuts to destroy your foe on the inside, that's part of the peakaboo style, they're inside fighters. That's what Tyson and Frazier did. Are you deliberately trolling right now? Because you just said something so patently untrue that it's actually bafflingly ******.

Genuinely laughed. Thanks for that.

Just totally not true what you are saying. The peak a boo style was never once connected to Joe Frazier. Never once.

Floyd Patterson before him, yes. Joe Frazier, no.

Mike Tyson was not an inside fighter. Not at all, actually.

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Genuinely laughed. Thanks for that.

Just totally not true what you are saying. The peak a boo style was never once connected to Joe Frazier. Never once.

Floyd Patterson before him, yes. Joe Frazier, no.

Mike Tyson was not an inside fighter. Not at all, actually.

Yeah you're trolling. Bye Felicia.

[just the facts]

Yeah you're trolling. Bye Felicia.

Do you actually think you're right and everyone else is wrong? Iron Dan is one of the most respected, unbiased posters here and nearest I can tell, you're a loud mouth noob who DKSAB.

[IronDanHamza]

Yeah you're trolling. Bye Felicia.

I'm not trolling

Why would you think that the peak a boo style was connected to Joe Frazier and the first to? When it actually wasn't at all.

Mike Tyson has been criticised for the longest for his lack of inside game. That's not his style to be on the side and work and chop you down like a Joe Frazier who worked almost entirely on the inside. And fought more out of a shell parrying etc than a typical peak a boo style such as Floyd Patterson.

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Do you actually think you're right and everyone else is wrong? Iron Dan is one of the most respected, unbiased posters here and nearest I can tell, you're a loud mouth noob who DKSAB.

I can't believe you take yourselves this seriously. No, I know my boxing, I've watched it a long ass time and I'm also an amateur boxer myself. The fact he thinks Joe Frazier didn't use the peakaboo style at all is just weird. Yes he'd swarm like a typical inside fighter but he had those peakaboo traits with his guard, punch selection and bobbing and weaving. You also unironically used the word noob, how pathetic. Are you a 10 year old gamer? Bye Felicia and settle down, no need to get so angry and protective of your ****** internet buddies that you don't even know.

[BoloShot]

I'm not trolling

Why would you think that the peak a boo style was connected to Joe Frazier and the first to? When it actually wasn't at all.

Mike Tyson has been criticised for the longest for his lack of inside game. That's not his style to be on the side and work and chop you down like a Joe Frazier who worked almost entirely on the inside. And fought more out of a shell parrying etc than a typical peak a boo style such as Floyd Patterson.

I forgot to mention Floyd Patterson initially, I didn't deny he used it. I know he did, I'll grant you one thing Frazier wouldn't do that Tyson did and he wasn't nearly as capable a mid range counterpuncher as he wouldn't stay there long if he could help it. You also can't deny that Tyson did a lot of inside fighting too, especially against guys who had serious height advantages on him, but so did Frazier because they had to. I mean I don't know many people who don't see similarities in Tyson and Frazier's styles which kind of is what we're arguing here so if you could not be so silly as to try to dispute that?

[IronDanHamza]

I forgot to mention Floyd Patterson initially, I didn't deny he used it. I know he did, I'll grant you one thing Frazier wouldn't do that Tyson did and he wasn't nearly as capable a mid range counterpuncher as he wouldn't stay there long if he could help it. You also can't deny that Tyson did a lot of inside fighting too, especially against guys who had serious height advantages on him, but so did Frazier because they had to. I mean I don't know many people who don't see similarities in Tyson and Frazier's styles which kind of is what we're arguing here so if you could not be so silly as to try to dispute that?

Other than both being aggressive and short for a HW no, I don't see many similarities at all between Joe Frazier and Mike Tyson.

One's a 15 round, cardio machine who fights out a shell or parrying slipping and gets inside and works away there, with positioning etc and chops his opponent down and the other is a very explosive, powerful mid range fighter who fights out or a peak a boo style. Who also doesn't so any work on the inside, he holds when the fight goes inside so he can return to mid range and work.

I would probably suggest you do more research