Anthony Joshua asked a question.........

[QueensburyRules]

Joshua fans in serious depression. They know he doesn't have the boxing skills to beat Fury nor the chin to last vs Wilder.

- -U one of the few Furry/Deyonce fans?

[Scipio2009]

Does anybody know the answer to it?

The question was what makes Wilder or Fury worth a 50-50 split against Joshua. Joshua knows hes the sports cash cow right now, he knows his numbers are dwarfing the likes of Wilder, Fury or any Heavy in the division, or any Boxer from any division apart from Canelo. He understands that he may have to dish out 50-50 to get these fights but he cant figure out why some people think both those guys are deserving or worth 50%

The stats, the facts and the figures show us that Joshua is the 2nd biggest cash cow in the sport behind Canelo. Those 2 are fighting on a whole higher level than any other fighter in the sport. Canelo isnt dishing out 50-50 to anybody and nobody is even complaining about it. Nobody complained when Money Floyd wasnt giving 50-50 in any of his fights when he was the cash cow either. I can go on and name cash cow after cash cow never giving 50-50 to their opposition.

So can anybody tell Anthony Joshua why he should be giving 50-50 to Wilder whose last fight bombed big time, Or Fury whose numbers were even worse than Wilders?

Anthony Joshua isn't the money in the US, the US market dwarfs the market that he is the money in, and fighting Wilder gets him onto the money in the US.

In terms of Fury, he brings true validation to Joshua's title run, and he delivers Joshua a dance partner for the unquestioned biggest fight to ever cross the British public.

Not too difficult

[DaNeutral.]

How can we possibly know what any of those fighters are worth without seeing what happens in between? This is a big part of why Wilder didn't accept DAZN's offer. Joshua vs. Wilder wasn't next, so why would Wilder agree to terms before seeing what happened in his next fight and Joshua's next fight?

Same thing applies here. Joshua's next fight or two and Wilder's next fight or two could drastically change their value. It's impossible to sit here right now and say what a fair split would be in the future after they've fought more fights.

If Wilder vs Fury II (and the hypothetical Wilder vs Fury III) do huge PPV numbers in the US, the value of the WBC champion coming out of that fight or fights is much higher than if the PPV buys are modest.

People arguing over splits right now are idiots. The fighters aren't available. When they are available, their value could be very different than it is right now.

LOL what a load of bollocks. Where was any of this when the big American A sides were getting their bigger splits. We know Joshua is the A side and wilder is the B side.

Only wilder PBC fans can't hack this and are talking about rewriting history. Cuz they mega salty.

[DaNeutral.]

Anthony Joshua isn't the money in the US, the US market dwarfs the market that he is the money in, and fighting Wilder gets him onto the money in the US.

In terms of Fury, he brings true validation to Joshua's title run, and he delivers Joshua a dance partner for the unquestioned biggest fight to ever cross the British public.

Not too difficult

Cuz wilders doing what exactly? His last fight bombed, in America. So wilder is no star now and nobody cares about joshua. Your math ain't making much sense.

The American Market is the biggest in the world but they have proven time and time again they ain't turning out for wilder.

[OnlytheTruth]

The winner of Fury/Wilder will be undefeated, WBC, ring and lineal champion, consensus #1.

That fact totally obliterates Joshua's leverage..... neither need to beat Joshua to gain those honours after his bad KO loss to Ruiz.

If Joshua didn't lose then the ring wouldn't be up for grabs..... that loss put Joshua down to #3 in the division, unfortunately for him.

Joshua might be the money man of the division, but he isn't the top dog any more.

You're right. However, its only one way of looking at this situation.

His name is still on everyone's lips. Mainly Wilder/Fury winner v Joshua for undisputed. Its quite telling that he is #3 and he is still what everyone is aiming for.

He only needs to give 50/50 once. If he becomes undisputed, he will never have to again. If he loses again, he probably doesn't drop below #3. He's in a pretty good situation.

[Vinnykin]

You're right. However, its only one way of looking at this situation.

His name is still on everyone's lips. Mainly Wilder/Fury winner v Joshua for undisputed. Its quite telling that he is #3 and he is still what everyone is aiming for.

He only needs to give 50/50 once. If he becomes undisputed, he will never have to again. If he loses again, he probably doesn't drop below #3. He's in a pretty good situation.

Joshua will always be popular and mentioned as long as he holds titles..... I want Fury and Wilder to fight him, not even that worried about if either lose in their upcoming fight.... obviously the loser can get a good win while Joshua fights the winner and be right back in the mix.

My point is that Joshua losing obliterated him being considered #1 in the division in many peoples eyes..... much like the Klitchko fight he has to pay up again to prove himself against another big name..... the winner of Fury/Wilder is WBC, ring and lineal, that sounds good said before a fight, and that ring looks damn pretty next to any world title.

Edit: and any reasonable person would drop Fury or Wilder's value in negotiations if they were knocked down 4 times and TKO'd in a fight.... I know all of Joshua's fans that talk about money on here all the time would be laughing and expecting Wilder or Fury to come begging if it was reversed.

[OnlytheTruth]

Joshua will always be popular and mentioned as long as he holds titles..... I want Fury and Wilder to fight him, not even that worried about if either lose in their upcoming fight.... obviously the loser can get a good win while Joshua fights the winner and be right back in the mix.

My point is that Joshua losing obliterated him being considered #1 in the division in many peoples eyes..... much like the Klitchko fight he has to pay up again to prove himself against another big name..... the winner of Fury/Wilder is WBC, ring and lineal, that sounds good said before a fight, and that ring looks damn pretty next to any world title.

Edit: and any reasonable person would drop Fury or Wilder's value in negotiations if they were knocked down 4 times and TKO'd in a fight.... I know all of Joshua's fans that talk about money on here all the time would be laughing and expecting Wilder or Fury to come begging if it was reversed.

I wouldn't say it has obliterated him. A LOT of people would probably still consider him to be #1 or #2. Bias or not.

Its a fickle old sport but Money is the driver behind so much and Matchroom/Sky/DAZN have a LOT of it! There's seemingly a lot of bitterness among fighters who haven't had the cash injection - Wilder is 100% one of them. Fortunately for Wilder, he's managed to knock people out (that should have been knocked out) and keep the WBC. IMO, Joshua beats Wilder so I think time will tell.

If Wilder KO's Fury (which I think he will), Fury will take his last US fight and retire. He's not well (in the head).

[TheMyspaceDayz]

Joshua got beat up so he called a halt to the game and went home with his ball. He sits in his home to this day refusing to play again unless he gets the most money. But let’s not forget that he’s the best. What kind of a$$ backwards world are AJ fans living in?

[LetOutTheCage]

The winner of Fury/Wilder will be undefeated, WBC, ring and lineal champion, consensus #1.

That fact totally obliterates Joshua's leverage..... neither need to beat Joshua to gain those honours after his bad KO loss to Ruiz.

If Joshua didn't lose then the ring wouldn't be up for grabs..... that loss put Joshua down to #3 in the division, unfortunately for him.

Joshua might be the money man of the division, but he isn't the top dog any more.

Ultimately it's not about titles it's about bums on seats and Joshua is far more popular than Joshua and Wilder. It's the same reason Canelo got to call the shots in the first fight against GGG

[GGG Gloveking]

Ultimately it's not about titles it's about bums on seats and Joshua is far more popular than Joshua and Wilder. It's the same reason Canelo got to call the shots in the first fight against GGG

Precisely. And until the first fight happened, when Canelo was saying the EXACT same things that Joshua is saying, many people accused Canelo of ducking Golovkin. So, as long as Joshua is prepared to continue his current line of speaking, he needs to be fully prepared to take the same criticisms that Canelo took.

This is the part that baffles me. We've been down this road before. Just like you said with Canelo and Golovkin. Until the money making A-side gets down off his high horse and pays fairly, he's going to be accused of ducking.