Larry Merchant is racist.

[Zaroku]

Question what is a Mexican ***?
Mexico is a country but are you an indigenous Mexican ?
And “***” is a religion although white practitioners have made it so that it’s a “race” which it’s not in order to pretend that they’re somehow victims but down other people who are discriminated by even them.

People love to play with words and labels but most are bulll*****.

In any sociopolitical structure in this world in any land even in Mexico the white people are on top and the black are on the bottom and all shades in between fall into that structure regardless of “race”.

we get ****d outta every decent country.. we scam them.. we are lower than gypsy people...

we huslte each other

... we are not decent people.. we argue for days over





black and messican men are tricks... hoes .. punks..my uncles in wheel chairs are evil
who is going to give a waiter a tip

[Goldie]

Muhammad Ali was not just incredibly articulate for a boxer, he was one of the most articulate people of the twentieth century. Which is a large reason for why it was so heart-breaking to see him lose grasp of his mental faculties as time wore on.

And I quote:

"Most fighters are at their most articulate in the violent language of the ring. The most extraordinary pugilist of all [Ali] found expression outside as well as inside those ropes."
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"And, of course, Muhammad Ali--the proudest, most articulate, and most defiant of them all. For the younger sportswriters Ali was the heavyweight champion."
Taken from Joe Louis: Hard Times Man by Randy Roberts

"[Ali]... was much more than a boxer, he was one of the century's most articulate and entertaining rebels. For example, when Ali refused to be drafted into the Army, saying, "I have no quarrel with the Vietcong", this had an immense impact on the black soldiers that made up one third of the US military."
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Articulate
adjective
...able to express thoughts and feelings easily and clearly, or showing this quality
Synonyms: Eloquent, loquacious, lucid, silver-tongued, fluent, expressive

This wasn’t published until 2012, well after the revisionist history. I already addressed this. Whites didn’t generally like and praise Ali until after he lost his mental sharpness and couldn’t express himself as before.

Y’all are also being obtuse focusing on this “articulate” term. When I say that he wasn’t articulate I’m saying that he didn’t always use proper diction or speak grammatically correct. He used a lot of broken English or “Ebonics”. Think about the famous clip of him with and him admitting that he didn’t know what “truculent” meant. It’s not a slight in the least. Ali was very intelligent.

[Tatabanya]

I appreciate your response. I apologize for my initial reaction to your posts. I think I reacted like I would if a student made the claims you made.

To be clearer, there already exists thinkers who make the claims you make. These claims and arguments have been written systematically and comprehensively. What you articulated, already has a substantial amount of literature written. I wanted to point you to a couple of those texts. I did this with a sincere motive of expanding your learning and to develop your ideas further. For example, social constructionism has been written about for decades and your assertions conform to its assertions. What social constructions avoid is the vague notions of things like "infinity" especially when it is used in a colloquial sort of way you used the term. Basically, there exists a library of literature that will help you to more effectively articulate your claims and evidence, regardless of the context.

Your personal response that includes the old and all too common implication of elitism, egocentrism, and impressing the chicks (that's my favorite) has no relation to the validity of your claims about the cosmos. Your arguments are what they are, regardless of my motives or character.

Furthermore, language is just about all we have. So as perceiving human subjects, while we are conscious of self and the world, we must create the world we perceive. We cannot do otherwise. Again this is regardless of our short life spans or our potential transformations, etc. So, to posit things that humans simply cannot access subjectivity is poor argument. Thus, my reading suggestions where you can teach yourself.

I used the term new age, but Christian would work too as the claims rest upon the same presupposition: things exist outside of or beyond human perception. The failure of this argument is the tautology part. Simply, the human is required to state the claim about things that exist beyond human perception. Do you see the circle?

Letour et. al. work through this problem by examining scientific claims. I still suggest reading him.

Hope this clears things up.

No need to apologize, perhaps I overreacted myself. Although I wouldn't want to sound snarky, sometimes I can't control the level of sarcasm in my responses. Limitations of the language, again - and the impossibility of looking in one's eye when chatting on a forum.

We're clearly on a different wavelength in regard to several issues, but I do welcome anyone who suggests something worthy of being deepened. I will try and find the time to discover more about the theorist you mention.

If anything, in a place like this events appear to be happening mostly by chance. I had never dreamed of talking about my insignificant vision of life and beyond here, but - if you peruse the whole thread - I responded to someone who, in some way, had involved metaphysical issues in the discussion. Usually I remain with my mouth completely shut, either online or in person, when these kinds of debate appear. Make no mistake, I was a very good student, high marks and all, without even committing myself too much. But I never felt a real need of "stating the claim about things that exist beyond human perception" as you correctly put it. To me, something is already clear by sheer intuition - hence the lack of necessity in "explaining" it - whereas the rest remains an intellectual chimera. A teacher cannot afford to think like that, though; I'm perfectly aware of this.

Thanks for your time.

[Lomadeaux]

I have known that for over 20 years. Nothing new.

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LOL you guys are such fking pu$$ies.

[HeadBodyBodyBody]

This wasn’t published until 2012, well after the revisionist history. I already addressed this. Whites didn’t generally like and praise Ali until after he lost his mental sharpness and couldn’t express himself as before.

Y’all are also being obtuse focusing on this “articulate” term. When I say that he wasn’t articulate I’m saying that he didn’t always use proper diction or speak grammatically correct. He used a lot of broken English or “Ebonics”. Think about the famous clip of him with and him admitting that he didn’t know what “truculent” meant. It’s not a slight in the least. Ali was very intelligent.

So when you said that Ali was not the most articulate, that's not really what you meant. That is, you were struggling to articulate your thoughts. Ironic.

[billeau2]

Clearly you don’t even know what “articulate” means. I suspect that your mother was smoking crack while carrying you.Let’s get the facts straight. Floyd had to leave arum to get the dlh fight. The dlh fight didn’t give him the opportunity to leave arum. Arum refused to try and even make the dlh fight for Floyd and scoffed at Floyd’s $20 million demand for the fight.

Yes that fight propelled Floyd into a superstar but it was his courage intelligence and vision that even made that opportunity possible. That’s my point. We have to give him credit for the smart moves he’s made outside of the ring. It doesn’t matter what you tell yourself, you’re a hater if you refuse to give the man his due credit and insist upon perpetuating lies to discredit his accomplishments.

I don’t take anything away from Ali. I will say that there’s a lot of revisionist history when it comes to how people like ali are viewed by America. Ali was hated more than Floyd is while he was still physically and mentally sharp. It wasn’t until he was broken down in both respects that the avg American started pretending to look favorably upon ali. The things that ali stood for weren’t appreciated then and they aren’t now. If prime ali existed in present time he’d be more hated than Floyd. Posters here would say that he was racist, he’s overrated, a runner, etc and they’d go even harder against him than they do Floyd.

It’s the same with mlk. America pretends that he’s this beloved figure but America hated mlk when he was alive. He’d be seen as a “race baiter” ala Al Sharpton or somebody. I say that to say that there’s always an excuse for why outspoken black men are hated. Floyd isn’t even race conscious and he’s always called racist. It’s why race can never be dismissed as a factor in how black men are viewed by the media and public.

Yeah I said in the post Ali was hated... The point was Ali was in it for more than himself and yes of course he was hated...it took courage to act in the face of such hate. I also respect Cosell immeasurably because he stuck by Ali.

I also don't hate Floyd, but I believe he is in it for number one. If you think that it took a leap of faith for floyd to leave Arum, we can agree to disagree. Arum was horrible, every bit as much as King. But it was the De La Hoya fight that gave Floyd opportunities to become a "well paid Heel" lol... and I am being tongue in cheek here.

I don't think Floyd is a racist...not everyone that is critical of Floyd is has the same sentiments. you seem to be lumping every one who has a critical of Floyd in the same apple cart. Floyd was a fantastic and ATG fighter. At 135 imo he was on a short list, but as a person he displays immaturity and a lack of understanding regarding what he could accomplish with his assets.

At any rate my specific critiscisms of Floyd are in my posts, they are not general broad hate filled balloons...i do not think he is a racist, I do think that as a young man who did have a father who worked with him, and a family, he should treat woman better. I don't see any great intellect, or sacrifice for others. I do see self sacrifice, similar to Marciano who was also a selfish individual by all accounts... which is fine, but if we are honest it is what it is.

[billeau2]

So when you said that Ali was not the most articulate, that's not really what you meant. That is, you were struggling to articulate your thoughts. Ironic.

Its a common prejudice people have mickey. Ali was Black, so there is no way he could be a an autodidactic... Regardless of the fact that he boxed in a self taught manner, was quite obviously articulate, bright and intelligent. Nobody ever asks what formal education Tunney, who could quote all the Irish Bards, attained, go figure. Tunney grew up in Hell's Kitchen, not exactly the upper East side...Lol.

It is as you say an irony, and as I tried to indicate, a stereotypical blind spot people have. When Ali was reciting poetry, he was being a Jive turkey! and when he put his posterior where his mouth was, and went to Whitey's jail, he became a political dissident. But never in all the play between these two poles, could Ali ever be considered, at the time, a man of conscience. A man who was doing the work of Socrates in the Apology, agreeing to stay in that jail, (Socrates could have fled, and his students begged him to do so, he refused)... to stand by the country that nurtured him, and to register a protest loud and clear.

Ali like Socrates could have been given first class accomodations in Canada (Sparta for Socrates would have been his new home). Now heres the thing: I am trying to get my friend on this board to realize that Floyd would not even do a boycott when asked. I believe that Ali understood very well what he was doing and why it was important. I doubt Floyd could even grasp the concept of selfless service to a principle other than the self. I do not base this on race, just on behavior and actions.

The most beautiful thing about Ali is that he was hardly a perfect person! more power to him! Perfect people make us su****ious lol. Ali would give you the shirt off his back. Floyd bribed women, telling them he would take back ***elry if they tried to meet someone and settle down with them. He wanted them on call for his company at a moments notice. Little differences like that loom large.

[billeau2]

This wasn’t published until 2012, well after the revisionist history. I already addressed this. Whites didn’t generally like and praise Ali until after he lost his mental sharpness and couldn’t express himself as before.

Y’all are also being obtuse focusing on this “articulate” term. When I say that he wasn’t articulate I’m saying that he didn’t always use proper diction or speak grammatically correct. He used a lot of broken English or “Ebonics”. Think about the famous clip of him with and him admitting that he didn’t know what “truculent” meant. It’s not a slight in the least. Ali was very intelligent.

No... Wrong just wrong. Listen to Ali on YouTube, there are countless interviews with him on all manner of shows. He spoke very well, he could jive (as it was called back then) when he wanted to do so... SO CAN I!!! As a White boy, because in East Harlem we spoke that way and I can slip into that speech if I choose to do so. I also have done graduate work and have an MA.

You cannot make a judgement about a person's intellect based on a definition of a word. I respect you trying to stand up for floyd but you should look at Ali in a more circumspect fashion.

[Goldie]

Yeah I said in the post Ali was hated... The point was Ali was in it for more than himself and yes of course he was hated...it took courage to act in the face of such hate. I also respect Cosell immeasurably because he stuck by Ali.

I also don't hate Floyd, but I believe he is in it for number one. If you think that it took a leap of faith for floyd to leave Arum, we can agree to disagree. Arum was horrible, every bit as much as King. But it was the De La Hoya fight that gave Floyd opportunities to become a "well paid Heel" lol... and I am being tongue in cheek here.

I don't think Floyd is a racist...not everyone that is critical of Floyd is has the same sentiments. you seem to be lumping every one who has a critical of Floyd in the same apple cart. Floyd was a fantastic and ATG fighter. At 135 imo he was on a short list, but as a person he displays immaturity and a lack of understanding regarding what he could accomplish with his assets.

At any rate my specific critiscisms of Floyd are in my posts, they are not general broad hate filled balloons...i do not think he is a racist, I do think that as a young man who did have a father who worked with him, and a family, he should treat woman better. I don't see any great intellect, or sacrifice for others. I do see self sacrifice, similar to Marciano who was also a selfish individual by all accounts... which is fine, but if we are honest it is what it is.

You’re babbling about things that irrelevant to my point. My point was that Floyd has displayed high levels of intelligence and the people who deny this probably have racial biases. You keep tying to justify why you don’t respect Floyd as much as you respect Ali, but that’s all irrelevant to me. You’re debating yourself.

So when you said that Ali was not the most articulate, that's not really what you meant. That is, you were struggling to articulate your thoughts. Ironic.

No, that’s exactly what I meant. You’re just too ****** to understand so I attempted to dumb it down to help you understand. I wouldn’t describe somebody who speaks with broken English and has a limited vocabulary as “articulate”.

You’re another feminine sassy passive aggressive type poster, which is quite ironic for a boxing site.

[HeadBodyBodyBody]

No, that’s exactly what I meant. You’re just too ****** to understand so I attempted to dumb it down to help you understand. I wouldn’t describe somebody who speaks with broken English and has a limited vocabulary as “articulate”.

You’re another feminine sassy passive aggressive type poster, which is quite ironic for a boxing site.

Haha brilliant

Sometimes you look at a redbar and you wonder, 'How did that happen?' This is not one of those occasions

You might not describe Ali as articulate, granted, but you will not find much support for this viewpoint, as is indicated by the several references I generously provided. The more general point, well expounded by Billeau, is that there is a large gulf between Ali and Floyd, in several important areas... such as being able to express oneself clearly (i.e. to be articulate). Exhibit A: the cringe-inducing shoutathon that was the Mayweather-McGregor press tour. Ali is quite overrated as a boxer, but what really made him stand out was all that he did outside the ring; he transcended sport and became an icon, thanks in large part to his 'gift of the gab' and his extraordinary ability to say what was on his mind in an entertaining and attention-grabbing way. And he wasn't just saying, 'I like money and b1tches.'