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    #71
    The people in here saying that it’s possivle to put on 40lbs of muscle naturally when you’re already past puberty (19/20) have clearly never lifted a weight in their life. Especially when coupled with an incredibly high intensity cardio workout like boxing.

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      #72
      I’m an ex competitive bodybuilder, 30/40lbs is very possible with no gear, not for everyone but even with the worst genes in the world you could add 20lb.
      So your going to tell me an elite sportsman, top of the food chain couldn’t do what an average gym rat could?

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        #73
        Looks like Joshua had a nose job. His nose was much wider in the before pic.

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          #74
          Originally posted by sentax View Post
          Joshua was either 19 or 20 there.

          This was Mike at 19

          Tyson was a legit freak. Look at pics of him when he was younger than 19 too. Dude was born a brick sh^thouse it seems. Dude was fighting grown ass men when he was like 9 or 10 iirc lmfao.

          But yea *whistles while avoiding eye contact* nothing to see here with Evander & AJ lol. Just lifted a few dumbbells & threw a couple of scoops of protein powder in their blender.

          And sh^t man if you can gain an edge w/o getting caught than f#ck it fair play to you on finding a way to game the system to more of an advantage your way. This happens every day in fields outside of sports & no one or few bats an eye but people love to act like people who do things to gain edges in sports are damn near evil for doing it. Thats bs. The real world edges are worse. Sports are a world in a bubble & far less important.

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            #75
            Originally posted by Eff Pandas View Post

            And sh^t man if you can gain an edge w/o getting caught than f#ck it fair play to you on finding a way to game the system to more of an advantage your way. This happens every day in fields outside of sports & no one or few bats an eye but people love to act like people who do things to gain edges in sports are damn near evil for doing it. Thats bs. The real world edges are worse. Sports are a world in a bubble & far less important.
            Maybe it wouldnt be so bad if it wasn't in a sport like boxing where cheating leads to very dangerous conditions, where people are killed or put in comas.

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              #76
              Originally posted by Murderopolis View Post
              Maybe it wouldnt be so bad if it wasn't in a sport like boxing where cheating leads to very dangerous conditions, where people are killed or put in comas.
              People get killed or put in comas when things are completely fair. I've never noted PED users to be involved in a superior amount of severe injury fights than non-PED users. I can't even think of 1 fight where a PED user severely hurt someone in the ring.

              I do think at some point a PED user will kill or severely injury someone & you'll see lawsuits flying left & right at the boxer, commission, ABC Group, promoter, a tainted supplement company &/or others who may or may not have some guilt in it happening.

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                #77
                Originally posted by _Rexy_ View Post
                The people in here saying that it’s possivle to put on 40lbs of muscle naturally when you’re already past puberty (19/20) have clearly never lifted a weight in their life. Especially when coupled with an incredibly high intensity cardio workout like boxing.
                You just exposed you haven't a ****ing clue what you're talking about. If a very skinny guy like Joshua was in that pic starts weight training of course they can put on a **** load of muscle.

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                  #78
                  Joshua was a teenager, holyfield was a grown man

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by Armchairhero View Post
                    I’m an ex competitive bodybuilder, 30/40lbs is very possible with no gear, not for everyone but even with the worst genes in the world you could add 20lb.
                    So your going to tell me an elite sportsman, top of the food chain couldn’t do what an average gym rat could?
                    When I stopped boxing I got Into bodybuilding as well (natural) and while 20-30lbs is possible for a newbie, I’d still say it’s bloody impossible to put on that mass WHILE being a boxer (naturally)

                    You’d have to consume around 20,000 calories a day.

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                      #80
                      Originally posted by Eff Pandas View Post
                      People get killed or put in comas when things are completely fair. I've never noted PED users to be involved in a superior amount of severe injury fights than non-PED users. I can't even think of 1 fight where a PED user severely hurt someone in the ring.

                      I do think at some point a PED user will kill or severely injury someone & you'll see lawsuits flying left & right at the boxer, commission, ABC Group, promoter, a tainted supplement company &/or others who may or may not have some guilt in it happening.
                      How do you know those fighters werent on peds? Most fighters are so just from pure probability some of those killings and comas were surely on PEDs.

                      Its just common sense. PEDs allow a fighter to hit harder for longer. People take beatings in boxing all the time. Those beatings are worse beacause of PEDs. Surely PEDs have lead to the death and coma of many fighters.

                      I think tons of fighters are only even on the stage because of how tough and strong PEDs have made them.

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