Comments Thread For: Barry Hearn: Wilder is Not Very Good, Easiest Fight For Joshua

[ChrisCook]

We don't know that Wilder has been offered 40%. Watch the conversation; whenever actual numbers are pressed, Eddie Hearn continues to put forward conditional ranges on things and sells them as offers. And let's not get to how Hearn is trying to hinge the deal on Wilder's US TV partner getting cut out of the deal (which he deliberately keeps quiet about).

Beyond that, 60/40 was the ask for the fight Fall 2018; Hearn said **** that here's $15m, Wilder begrudgingly said alright, and then Hearn said it was actually $15m for a fight in April 2019 while you also taking a short pot to also fight my other British heavyweight in the UK, before Wilder told him to go **** himself, so to speak.

Coming back, now, to the original ask, is disingenuous, especially after Fury and Wilder drew what they did on their first fight (and how well they'll likely do on the rematch).

My understanding is that Hearn (DAZN) is going to bid for the rights to show the Fury/Wilder fight, if it happens... he isn't being quiet about it, I saw it in an interview a few days back and he said as much. Do you think he shouldn't bid for it?
We are in agreement when you mention that none of us really know what has been offered - we only really know what is being reported. Based on this, I do think that it's important to apply that rule to what Wilder and his team are saying too because I'd be pretty sure that all of the misinformation that we see and read is not only being spouted by one party alone!
Lastly, I have no clue what your last paragraph is supposed say or mean, it makes no sense in context to my original point. You might want to look at that.

[jas]

When wilder looks bad Vs fury suddenly now AJ and his team wanna fight him

Lol. And openly admitting it too. Fans should wanna see the most competitive match ups and that is fury Vs AJ according to Joshua's team yet joshua wants to fight wilder instead.

But fk these aj threads are terrible

AJ has attracted a bunch of new casual fans obsessed with business side of boxing not the actual fights

[REDEEMER]

When wilder looks bad Vs fury suddenly now AJ and his team wanna fight him

Lol. And openly admitting it too. Fans should wanna see the most competitive match ups and that is fury Vs AJ according to Joshua's team yet joshua wants to fight wilder instead.

But fk these aj threads are terrible

AJ has attracted a bunch of new casual fans obsessed with business side of boxing not the actual fights

If you understand the business side first it's easier to weed out who ducks fights . In this case it's Wilder and Finke l declining the agreed 15 million way back in June of 2018 so when you bring up Fury into the mix as a reason of anything of AJ be Wilder it shows you don't know what's going on .

[MDPopescu]

Barry Hearn: Wilder is Not Very Good

Barry Hearn, the founder of Matchroom and father of promoter Eddie Hearn, is not impressed with the abilities of WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder. (...)[/URL]]

... OK, Wilder is not "very good"... but, instead, who's "very good"???

[REDEEMER]

Why would Wilder fans be worried? Wilder fans been wanting the fight. The older a boxer (though not so much with Heavyweights), but getting older isn’t going to help Wilder. Though there’s a flip side to this because Wilder gets better every fight. Just like Klitchko seeing an opening down the middle past 40 years of age to drop AJ, the odds highly favor Wilder to do good with AJ. Klitchko didnt even have leaping back ability or speed as Wilder to get away from dangerous situations. Wilder’s speed is so underrated. Wilder is the best example of prize fighter who has always dropped basic fundamentals in an actual fight. His mean machine gets the best of him at times, but it works to his advantage.

Wilder is 1 and 1 against top level competition . I' ll leave it at that because I've already engaged with you in your other thread of absurdities about so and so fought many times in the U.S and AJ didnt, so I know what it entails .

[MDPopescu]

Wilder (...) fought many times in the U.S (...)

... don't tell us!... really?...

[Granath]

If you understand the business side first it's easier to weed out who ducks fights . In this case it's Wilder and Finke l declining the agreed 15 million way back in June of 2018 so when you bring up Fury into the mix as a reason of anything of AJ be Wilder it shows you don't know what's going on .

That was a ****** offer and only fools would think that constitutes ducking.

Floyd Mayweather made $275M in the fight against McGregor. McG made $85M. Pac made $160M against Mayweather (who made over $200M). That's the upper end of the market but it shows how much money there is to be made from a highly anticipated fight.

$15M for a fight with two undefeated HW Champs is chump change. While Joshua/Wilder wouldn't be the purse of Mayweather/Pac, that fight would have brought (and probably still would) at least 1 million PPV buys. Why would Wilder take $15M when Joshua in that deal would walk away with $50M - $75M or more?

It was and remains a lowball offer and only idiots think it was legitimate and use it as an excuse for ducking.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Wilder is 1 and 1 against top level competition.

Charles Martin was Joshua's most difficult challenge. Parker to the naked eye is more difficult than Luis Ortiz...

[Scipio2009]

My understanding is that Hearn (DAZN) is going to bid for the rights to show the Fury/Wilder fight, if it happens... he isn't being quiet about it, I saw it in an interview a few days back and he said as much. Do you think he shouldn't bid for it?
We are in agreement when you mention that none of us really know what has been offered - we only really know what is being reported. Based on this, I do think that it's important to apply that rule to what Wilder and his team are saying too because I'd be pretty sure that all of the misinformation that we see and read is not only being spouted by one party alone!
Lastly, I have no clue what your last paragraph is supposed say or mean, it makes no sense in context to my original point. You might want to look at that.

My last paragraph was simply to make it clear that now, after all the fallout since Fall 2018, to say "yeah, we'll now take your initial ask" isn't going to work.

Wilder-Fury generated at least $25m on USPPV, plus another $3.5m+ in ticket sales at the live gate, plus who knows how much on the fight in the UK, and the other revenues, with the actual fight being a really good one that captured so much attention that the rematch is likely to do double the business.

DAZN isn't going to bid on anything, because the fight isn't going to even end up going to bid; both camps jointly asking for the deadline to be moved back makes it pretty clear that the deal is almost done.

Wilder and Fury will have their fight, and count their money together (if Fury wins, the third fight is allegedly heading to Old Trafford in Manchester), and then whomever stands at the end of that will sit down with Hearn/Joshua, and will negotiate a full-on deal, rather than simply taking a fee and be dictated to.

[DaNeutral.]

That was a ****** offer and only fools would think that constitutes ducking.

Floyd Mayweather made $275M in the fight against McGregor. McG made $85M. Pac made $160M against Mayweather (who made over $200M). That's the upper end of the market but it shows how much money there is to be made from a highly anticipated fight.

$15M for a fight with two undefeated HW Champs is chump change. While Joshua/Wilder wouldn't be the purse of Mayweather/Pac, that fight would have brought (and probably still would) at least 1 million PPV buys. Why would Wilder take $15M when Joshua in that deal would walk away with $50M - $75M or more?

It was and remains a lowball offer and only idiots think it was legitimate and use it as an excuse for ducking.

None of them people are Deontay Wilder, Wilder isnt new on the scene hes had 41 fights. There is no point telling us what money can be made in America by Boxers when Deontay Wilder isnt one of them Boxers.

However somebody who is making that kind of money is Anthony Joshua and thats without breaking America yet. He likely wont as Americans dont often take to foreigners but he doesnt need it, if he did do well in the States then great but with or without hes by far the biggest draw in the sport, and that not opinion that is a fact.

As for that 15 million offer to Wilder, if it was so bad, chump change, crack money chicken feed how come his super massive PPV Fury fight could only earn him about half of that and be hailed as a success?