Povetkin is better than Ortiz

[Mr Objecitivity]

Povetkin has never been a Lightheavy in his life. So I don't know where you're getting that from.

Povetkin carries like, 30 or more pounds of body fat. If he lost the unnecessary weight / fat from his body, he shouldn't have a problem making light heavyweight. His natural weight division at best, is cruiser weight and not heavyweight.

Even Oleksandr Usyk, a guy who competes at cruiser weight, is functionally bigger than Povetkin. If Usyk carried anywhere near as much body fat as Povetkin did, he'd easily weigh 230+ pounds. And even without body fat, Usyk still weighs a lot.

Povetkin's skills enabled him to make up for his lack of size to a certain extent. But his lack of size will always be a shortcoming at the elite level against the Klitschkos, Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury.

[kafkod]

So in your mind Ortiz's doping is more OK than Povetkin's?

man, some of the stuff you guys come up with

Yes, because Ortiz got popped in the US, which means that the US PED testers are doing their job and Ortiz is cleaner than Povetkin, because Povetkin got popped in Russia and there is no stringent testing in that part of the world.

[champion4ever]

So in your mind Ortiz's doping is more OK than Povetkin's?

man, some of the stuff you guys come up with

Well let me ask you this question then. How many times do you think Povetkin probably was doping and used PEDS in the past over in that part of the world but has never been caught or popped? My answer is several but what say you?

[champion4ever]

Yes, because Ortiz got popped in the US, which means that the US PED testers are doing their job and Ortiz is cleaner than Povetkin, because Povetkin got popped in Russia and there is no stringent testing in that part of the world.

Man you are spot on! I couldn't have answered that question better myself. You seem to get it!

[SeGoodland]

I like this fight and would be a good undercard finish for Wilder/Fury or subsequent rematch or AJ. I see Povetkin taking despite the really bad hype job Matchroom did at making it seem like he was super dangerous JUST because he knocked out David Price!

Povetkin can ****. Ortiz can ****. I think Povetkin can easily put on 2-3 kilos to get closer to Ortiz without losing his relative speed advantage. His overhands against AJ didn't rock AJ's world after round 1 but I do think that BOTH fighter have great assets. Ortiz's size advantage is obvious but I think due to the age of these two fighters, it will be the smaller man that takes it.

Great shout though. Would be a fantastic fight.

[SeGoodland]

Yes, because Ortiz got popped in the US, which means that the US PED testers are doing their job and Ortiz is cleaner than Povetkin, because Povetkin got popped in Russia and there is no stringent testing in that part of the world.

Correct but comparing how clean someone is, is pretty irrelevant. You wouldn't pick up dog **** from a stray no sooner than you would from the winner of Crufts, dog **** is dog ****.

Both have tainted professional records and are only as clean as the last test that they took. If they both passed, then they passed.

[jas]

The only place Ortiz would do Povetkin in 6 rounds is on NSB

you said aj is not ducking

you were completely proven to be utterly brainwashed or biased, it simply cannot be denied mate

[kafkod]

Correct but comparing how clean someone is, is pretty irrelevant. You wouldn't pick up dog **** from a stray no sooner than you would from the winner of Crufts, dog **** is dog ****.

Both have tainted professional records and are only as clean as the last test that they took. If they both passed, then they passed.

I know. I was summing up the crazy "logic" of another poster there.

[New England]

Povetkin has a better resume and is ranked higher than Ortiz by The Ring, Boxrec, and every sanctioning body except the corrupt WBC, so why wouldn't he?

well for one you can use your eyes and your own reasoning. do you let other people tell you how to rank a fighter? i gave you lots of reasons other than, "because X told me so." insurmountable reasons, really. go ahead and refute them.

ortiz is left handed, a has never gotten his ass kicked by an all time great, is 25 lbs bigger. has anywhere from 5-10 inches of reach according to which source you listen to. he's a bigger puncher. there's just a ton that makes him a better fighter, and everybody but the british [and even the reasonable british,] are calling it like it is and saying he was a better fighter in 2018 than a very aged and small povetkin.


you guys generally don't know what you're looking at, and that's fine. so you look to experts to help you form an opinion. i have not looked at ring ****zine regularly for a while. it is owned by a promoter. i was a sub for 15 years when it was the best sporting publication on the planet [5 of that had seen it go downhill but it was still the best, and the internet was still picking up steam in regard to boxing.] if it had povetkin ranked higher than ortiz at the time of the wilder fight it is silly. povetkin was seen as an worn out fighter in spite of the fact that they're allegedly around teh same age. and FFS he is small! these are giant men and povetkin is not the same size! povetkin gave up 8 inches of reach to anthony joshua! don't ignore that becuase ring ****zine tells you what to do! ortiz was undefeated and at HW it means a lot when you are dangerous, and he is. subsequently, he did better against wilder than povetkin did against joshua. the big shot that he landed had wilder rocked, he could weather storms that povetkin couldn't weather.

[New England]

Go back and look at the career Povetkin career sh** on Ortiz

that is not relevant to the degree that you think it is. this is not a fighter in his prime. makes me think you guys don't really understand boxing.

does he bring his resume into the ring with him and show it to his opponent? or do they fight? do their physical and technical abilities, their conditioning, and their will matter, or does a list on a piece of paper matter?


i need somebody to read one of my comprehensive, british-morale-shattering posts regarding why ortiz was a tougher match in 2018 than povetkin, and refute it. tell me to my face that 8 inches of reach, 25 lbs, and a 10 year career including a 12 round ass kicking at the hands of an all time great puncher don't f#cking matter