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Last edited by Robi13; 09-18-2018, 01:47 AM.
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Originally posted by Robi13 View PostMy apologies... Well miss, you make arguments that prove ggg won with compubox and turn around and say compubox was wrong with cottto. You cant pick and choose just so it fits what you want it too. Also, who has ggg beat? A level fighter... That he has knocked out? Canelo won wether you like it or not. That's a fact not an opinion.
I don't care about Cumpubox stats. I care about what I watch. I saw Canelo getting hit more than he hit the opponent, in all those fights I mentioned. and he got his head snapped back very badly in all of those. Those are facts as well you know?
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Originally posted by sterilizer View PostYes, that's a fact, that he defeated GGG, because the judges determined that. No argument there. But the fight took place in Vegas and the commission that chose them was the Nevada commission. And that same commission, that is its chosen judges, has given some outrageous favorable decisions to Canelo.
I don't care about Cumpubox stats. I care about what I watch. I saw Canelo getting hit more than he hit the opponent, in all those fights I mentioned. and he got his head snapped back very badly in all of those. Those are facts as well you know?
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On Saturday night, we were all treated to a good (not great) fight. It also happened to come with a fair decision. It's a shame that the sport is taking another L from journalists.
My only critique of Oscar's letter would be the first response. Yes the NSAC picks the judges, but the promoter of the card does in fact pay them. I'm not claiming that they were bought by Oscar. But I do think that he should have stuck to his guns and not offered a response that he didn't think was deserved.
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I doubt Oscar wrote that
But thats besides the point the fact he feels the need to write a novel and justify the decision should let everyone know Canelo didnt deserve the decision
If you honestly thought Canelo won thered be no reason to write a book about it
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I saw a great fight between two warriors, much better than their first go around. Canelo as requested stayed in the pocket did his damage & fought back when hurt. That being said I agree with the majority of the experts, Canelo did not deserve the victory. G retreated by mere steps for punching room while always pumping a jab & not the range finding pawing type but a ram rod of a jab. In addition to this he matched Canelos hard punches during the course of the match, they just mostly did it at different stages. The HBO team was noticeably overstating Canelos punches while insinuating that GGG was starting to look old & may not make it to the end of the fight. While I'll agree G looked winded early, as he did in first fight, he clearly never stopped throwing punches until the very end. G's face was clearly the worse for wear of the two at the end, but that shouldn't matter on the scorecards. In fact the only fighter that seemed hurt during the match was Canelo late in the fight.
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we all knew a close fight meant a canelo win unlike the clear cut first fight which golovkin won in so many experts opinion
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The experts below did not seem to favor a Canelo victory much. I would have liked to have seen GGG closely win both of his matches with Canelo, break Hopkins 160 lb title defense record then retire undefeated. Instead he will fight a 3rd match at 37 with a prime Canelo, likely lose (legitimately)and after face some of the young lions in the weight class becoming a stepping stone until he calls it a day. I hope I'm wrong.
Media Scorecards:
Dan Rafael (ESPN): 114-114
Arash Markazi (ESPN): 114-114
Brett Okamoto (ESPN): 114-114
Salvador Rodriguez (ESPN Mexico): 114-114
Lance Pugmire (LA Times): 114-114
Kevin Iole (Yahoo! Sports): 114-114
Mike Coppinger (The Ring ****zine): 114-114
Douglass Fischer (The Ring ****zine): 114-114
Bill Simmons (HBO & The Ringer): 114-114
George Willis (New York Post): 114-114
Brian Mazique (Forbes): 114-114
Marc Livitz (SecondsOut.com): 114-114
Steve Bunce (BT Sport): 114-114
Sports Ilustrated: 114-114
Boxingscene: 114-114
Profiboxing.cz: 114-114
Ryan O'Hara (FightNights.com): 115-113 Golovkin
Mike Baca II (The Ring ****zine): 115-113 Golovkin
Adam Abramowitz (Saturday Night Boxing: 115-113 Golovkin
Eduardo Lamazón (TV Azteca): 116-112 Golovkin
Gareth A. Davies (The Telegraph): 116-112 Golovkin
Josh Peter (USA Today): 115-113 Golovkin
Dylan Hernandez (LA Times): 115-113 Golovkin
Chris Mannix (Yahoo! Sports): 115-113 Golovkin
Joe DePaolo (Washington Post): 115-113 Golovkin
Tom Craze (Bad Left Hook): 116-112 Golovkin
Fraser Coffeen (Bloody Elbow): 115-113 Golovkin
Anton Tabuena (Bloody Elbow): 115-113 Golovkin
Adam Caparell (Complex Sports): 116-112 Golovkin
Steven Muehihausen (Sporting News): 116-112 Golovkin
Michael Montero (MonteroOnBoxing): 115-113 Golovkin
Matt Christie (Boxing News): 115-114 Golovkin
Stephen A. Smith (ESPN): 115-113 Golovkin
Brian Campbell (CBS Sports): 116-112 Golovkin
Barry Jones (BT Sport): 116-112 Golovkin
Harold Lederman (HBO): 116-112 Golovkin
Michael Benson (talkSPORT): 116-112 Golovkin
Michelle Phelps (Behind The Gloves): 115-113 Golovkin
Mike Costello (BBC Sport): 115-113 Golovkin
Arne Lang (The Sweet Science) 117-111 Canelo
The Guardian: 116-112 Golovkin
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Originally posted by sterilizer View Post1) I am not a bro, I am female. Women also watch boxing. So let's now see you spew some misogynist garbage, I will wait.
2) I have no agenda and Canelo DID NOT WIN CLEARLY. That is just YOUR OPINION.
3) He HAS NOT KO'D ANY A-CLASS FIGHTER. Even tiny Manny KO'd a much bigger and prime Cotto. And he knocked down Mosley, something Canelo could never do either. A huge two-divisions bigger Canelo couldn't even knock down an over the hill, way smaller Cotto.
4) I won't waste any more time arguing with you. You love the redhead guy, that's nice. Keep on riding on his bandwagon while that lasts. I am sure it won't be too long. He is not that good and that will be proven soon enough.
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