Anthony Joshua Finally Responds To Deontay Wilder "I'm Still Waiting For A Signature"

[Scopedog]

The key word in the headline is "finally". There's basically no point to AJ saying anything, it's obvious that Hearn calls 100% of the shots. He probably can't wipe his ass in the morning without getting Eddie's permission first.

[R_Walken]

Because whilst AJ will earn massive sums each year with or without this fight, the longer this fight delays the greater the risk that Wilder will start to decline from his prime.

The longer this fight takes the more experience Joshua gets, the closer he comes to his own prime.

The longer this fight takes the less time there would be to capitalise on the boost in fame and potential earnings that Wilder should get from this fight win or lose.

The longer this fight takes, the harder it gets for Wilder and the greater the chance that he loses. Wilder's camp can leverage the greater pressure from mandatories that AJ is under, but ultimately time is on AJ's side. They could go through the entire negotiation process again in a couple of months, it could again fail for whatever reason and as AJ prepares to fight Miller or Whyte etc. for 20-30m Eddie Hearn will once again win the PR battle with AJ's fanbase because he's head and shoulders a better communicator than anyone in Team Wilder.

Almost all the power in this negotiation sits with one side and almost all the pressure, be it from the progress of time or the absence of compelling alternative options sits on the other.

I think your a good poster but Sorry man but this is such a sad pathetic post

First off what planet are you living in to think that After the last 3 months that Hearn and AJ have won the PR battle. Yeah AJ cheerleaders will repeat anything Hearn says without any self respect but if you think what’s happend the last Couple
Months has elevated AJs stock your crazy. I can’t help But think this has basically killed AJs chances of ever being a crossover star in the States. Who’s going to support a fighter that doesn’t live up to his word and when his bluff gets called goes into hiding

Yeah he has his home market but don’t you think the longer Hearn and AJ don’t make the Wilder fight even some of his loyal fan base will start questioning him as to why and hurt his marketability ?

Hearns a great communicator? The guys been proven to be full of sh.it for the last 3 months to anyone paying attention l. He’s a great liar and salesman. He’s great at Communicating lies that are easily seen as lies

It’s a lame philosophy to think and condone that AJ has all the time to avoid at worst the # 2 in the division and a fight that is probably the biggest financial fight and a chance to get all the straps waiting for his opponent to get old or when he shows signs of decline

... AJ doesn't need to fight DW next or in the near future...
... the HW division is weak at this point...
... AJ may want Miller, Pulev, Fury etc... he may wait for Joyce, Yoka... he may wait for Usyk or Gassiev...

Your right he doesn’t , he can make whatever $ he loses out on a Wilder fight and rematch in a couple years time

But do you honestly think he goes through all the names you listed unscathed

[MDPopescu]

... AJ doesn't need to fight DW next or in the near future...
... the HW division is weak at this point...
... AJ may want Miller, Pulev, Fury etc... he may wait for Joyce, Yoka... he may wait for Usyk or Gassiev...

Your right he doesn’t , he can make whatever $ he loses out on a Wilder fight and rematch in a couple years time

But do you honestly think he goes through all the names you listed unscathed

... I don't look to be "right"... I only tried to assess the situation and imagine some possibilities... and I'm not a AJ "fan"...

... and I don't even think Hearn would want a DW fight in 2019 (unless it's a "fix")...

[PotentialToast]

Whats good yall. Its Deontay The Bronze Bomber Wilder and Imma fold this Brit like laundry. This boy punch so slow, he throw one-punch combinations. He move so slow, the camera crew dont need slow motion replays. His footwork so bad, they replaced the stairs in his house with elevators. His team so scared, even their bodyguards have bodyguards.

So why are you dodging him #bumsquad

[N/A]

The reality of the situation is that Wilder and his team waited a month before accepting the offer, by which time the GGG and Canelo rematch was signed to take place in mid Sept. - so the date needed to change and all parties were aware of this.

I know that's the script Hearn gave you on IFL, but Hearn's own words during that month prove he's lying. Hearn did multiple interviews saying they were in the midst of negotiations, in contact daily, having in person meetings, etc. Discussing both the 50 million offer and the 15 million offer.

Yes it took a month of negotiating to strike a deal, but Hearn is lying when he now claims he didn't hear anything from them for a month and we know that because during that month he said he was talking to them and having meetings.

So you can't have it both ways.

It's not unreasonable for it to take a month of negotiating for the biggest fight in the history of UK boxing.

[Holler]

I think your a good poster

Thanks and likewise

but Sorry man but this is such a sad pathetic post

First off what planet are you living in to think that After the last 3 months that Hearn and AJ have won the PR battle.

Planet Earth mate, UK sector. Look again at what I wrote:

Eddie Hearn will once again win the PR battle with AJ's fanbase

I have no doubt that Hearn's taken a kicking in the US press. These are guys that know Finkel, Deas and Haymon well and they've doubtless dutifully reported the lines coming out of Team Wilder etc.

The problem is it means absolutely nothing to the vast majority of AJ fans over here. Most of them know nothing of those guys and little of Wilder. They do know Hearn and they do follow the channels he's appearing in, UK press, Sky TV etc.

AJ appeared last night in front of perhaps 30 million people giving a good luck message to the England football team. He's got a brand building energy drink ad playing on high rotation. He's making reality show appearances, he's on billboards for sports clothing etc etc.

Most of those viewers last night will know him, very few will have followed the Wilder saga and most of them will take AJ's side regardless. Whatever damage he may have taken in the US, it's not happened here where he makes his money at present.

if you think what’s happend the last Couple
Months has elevated AJs stock your crazy.

I never said that? It's just not damaged it in his domestic market.

I can’t help But think this has basically killed AJs chances of ever being a crossover star in the States. Who’s going to support a fighter that doesn’t live up to his word and when his bluff gets called goes into hiding

Yeah he has his home market but don’t you think the longer Hearn and AJ don’t make the Wilder fight even some of his loyal fan base will start questioning him as to why and hurt his marketability ?

For context, AJ earned over 46 million dollars last year and the vast majority came from the domestic market. He'll earn more than that next year, Wilder or no Wilder. The days when riches depended on cracking the US are gone. It's a nice to have rather than a must and in any case it's possible AJ maximises his revenues there by being the guy all y'all love to hate. It didn't do Floyd any harm.[/QUOTE]

Hearns a great communicator? The guys been proven to be full of sh.it for the last 3 months to anyone paying attention l. He’s a great liar and salesman. He’s great at Communicating lies that are easily seen as lies

I didn't say he's a great disseminator of truth. I think he's very skilled at putting his side across, it's a matter of opinion so we may have to agree to differ on that.

It’s a lame philosophy to think and condone that AJ has all the time to avoid at worst the # 2 in the division and a fight that is probably the biggest financial fight and a chance to get all the straps waiting for his opponent to get old or when he shows signs of decline

I've not said that should happen, just tried to accurately portray where the pressures lie in each sides negotiating position. As a boxing fan I'd love to see them face each other whilst each is in their prime.

Your right he doesn’t , he can make whatever $ he loses out on a Wilder fight and rematch in a couple years time

But do you honestly think he goes through all the names you listed unscathed

I don't know. I think he's improving but it's heavyweight boxing. He does have a big advantage over Wilder and other US boxers however. On this side of the Atlantic a loss is far less damaging to a boxers marketability, indeed it may even boost it. If AJ loses against Povetkin the revenues for his rematch would be bigger. Obviously if he loses again he takes a big hit, but fans here don't have the same obsession with the '0' which has so damaged US boxing.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Big Facts!

[Just looking]

Joshua should sign first

[R_Walken]

Thanks and likewise



Planet Earth mate, UK sector. Look again at what I wrote:



I have no doubt that Hearn's taken a kicking in the US press. These are guys that know Finkel, Deas and Haymon well and they've doubtless dutifully reported the lines coming out of Team Wilder etc.

The problem is it means absolutely nothing to the vast majority of AJ fans over here. Most of them know nothing of those guys and little of Wilder. They do know Hearn and they do follow the channels he's appearing in, UK press, Sky TV etc.

AJ appeared last night in front of perhaps 30 million people giving a good luck message to the England football team. He's got a brand building energy drink ad playing on high rotation. He's making reality show appearances, he's on billboards for sports clothing etc etc.

Most of those viewers last night will know him, very few will have followed the Wilder saga and most of them will take AJ's side regardless. Whatever damage he may have taken in the US, it's not happened here where he makes his money at present.



I never said that? It's just not damaged it in his domestic market.



For context, AJ earned over 46 million dollars last year and the vast majority came from the domestic market. He'll earn more than that next year, Wilder or no Wilder. The days when riches depended on cracking the US are gone. It's a nice to have rather than a must and in any case it's possible AJ maximises his revenues there by being the guy all y'all love to hate. It didn't do Floyd any harm.

I didn't say he's a great disseminator of truth. I think he's very skilled at putting his side across, it's a matter of opinion so we may have to agree to differ on that.



I've not said that should happen, just tried to accurately portray where the pressures lie in each sides negotiating position. As a boxing fan I'd love to see them face each other whilst each is in their prime.



I don't know. I think he's improving but it's heavyweight boxing. He does have a big advantage over Wilder and other US boxers however. On this side of the Atlantic a loss is far less damaging to a boxers marketability, indeed it may even boost it. If AJ loses against Povetkin the revenues for his rematch would be bigger. Obviously if he loses again he takes a big hit, but fans here don't have the same obsession with the '0' which has so damaged US boxing.[/QUOTE]


Great rebuttal

And I get and agree with most of what you wrote , I’ll try and respond to a couple Points I don’t entirely agree with , unfortunately for you I’m too dumb to break up a quote like you so it’s going to be just 1 long tangent

Finkel , Deas and aren’t really known to anyone who isn’t a hardcore boxing fan in the United States so what they say isn’t what’s shifting public opinion it’s the games and lies that Hearn has been playing that make it obvious he never wanted this fight . It’s making him look like a untrustworthy snake and AJ look like a b.itch who doesn’t want the fight and a modern version of Kunta “Femi “ Kinte . ( I don’t think AJs scared of a coward he’s a elite level fighter /warrior but for whatever reason they think it’s best to delay this fight for however long ) but I’m suprised AJ won’t speak up for himself and let his promoter ruin his reputation and credibility to North American boxing fans

I get it Hearn can basically say whatever he wants and knows most UK fans will get behind him. It’s sad but it is what it is

I get that AJ makes a killing at home and he’s done a great job and has a great fan base but I was saying that Hearn was saying as recently as this year “ we’re going to make AJ a star in the States and he’ll fight in Vegas in a Klit rematch or Miller in Brooklyn “ but with Hearns actions and AJs silence I just think he has no chance of crossing over in the States not saying he won’t be basically making $ hand over fist in the UK. But IMo they’ve damaged AJs brand in North America and made him look suspect whether true or not

And no AJ can’t be a Mayweather as far as people paying to see him lose because they hate him . AJ is too PR cautious and won’t say/do anything to ruffle his corporate sponsors and get his opponents fans to hate him and doesn’t talk sh.it to other fighters ( unless it’s to Eddie Chambers for some odd reason ) . While I don’t think this is the real AJ , he’s playing it safe to get his $ and have casuals believing he’s a non threatening black man so they can get behind him and I don’t knock him for that , get paid but people don’t hate a bland non controversial figure , they’re indifferent and just look at it like AJ doesn’t want to leave home and doesn’t want to fight Wilder that’s not the type of hate to get people invested in them that’s the type of hate that has people thinking he isn’t the real deal and couldn’t care less about and doesn’t translate to dollars

AJ fighting Povetkin on DAZn, while a good fight probably Isn’t going to generate any real subscribers because of what’s transpired

Boxing fans want to see the AJ/Wilder fight and if Hearn and AJ want to continue to delay it it just looks bad on them and the longer they don’t make it the worse it looks

[JWHardin]

They won't fight Ortiz because he's not ranked in any of AJ's belts governing bodies so he can't get mandatory status and there's not enough money in the fight to justify trying to fit him in between a mandated defence.

Why didn't they fight Ortiz when Pulev pulled out? He was the other mandatory at that time. I think you know the answer.