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    #31
    Originally posted by Ray* View Post
    If Wilder gets 30% it’s would still be more than what Parker gets at 40%.
    Only because Wilder brings so much more to the table than Parker. Which means he should obviously get a higher percentage than Parker, not a lower percentage.

    Could the fight get made at 62/38? Maybe. I really don't see the Wilder side going any lower than that. We'll see.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Holler View Post
      As Ray said he'll earn more than Parker even with a lower split because the overall pie will be bigger.
      And the overall pie will be bigger because Wilder brings more to the table than Parker, and therefore will get a bigger percentage than Parker. Common sense.

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        #33
        Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF View Post
        Only because Wilder brings so much more to the table than Parker. Which means he should obviously get a higher percentage than Parker, not a lower percentage.

        Could the fight get made at 62/38? Maybe. I really don't see the Wilder side going any lower than that. We'll see.
        I don’t think it’s necessarily about getting a higher percentage than Parker.

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          #34
          Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF View Post
          And the overall pie will be bigger because Wilder brings more to the table than Parker, and therefore will get a bigger percentage than Parker. Common sense.
          Not really. The main reason the fight will generate more money is that AJ has unified 3 of the 4 belts making this a historic opportunity to get a Unified champion.

          It's not because Wilder is a massive draw in the US, he's not. It's not becausE Wilder is a regular big grossing PPV seller, he isn't. He just happens to have the last belt AJ requires to make history, a belt that he's done little to enhance in the time since he won it.

          Wilder will get more than he brings to the table, it's already established that AJ will have to pay something to get the belt on the table, but 40% given the disparity between what each brings to the table in boxing terms (belts) and commercial terms is very optimistic.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Ray* View Post
            I don’t think it’s necessarily about getting a higher percentage than Parker.
            Wilder brings so much more to the table than Parker that there would need to be a serious bump above 33.3% to make this fight happen. It's not going to get done at 35%. Wilder may try to hold out for 40%. We'll see. Hearn I'm sure will insist on 35% at first. These things can take a while.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Holler View Post
              Not really. The main reason the fight will generate more money is that AJ has unified 3 of the 4 belts making this a historic opportunity to get a Unified champion.
              So if AJ vacated the WBO, AJ vs. Wilder for the WBC/WBA/IBF wouldn't generate more revenue than AJ vs. Parker did?

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                #37
                Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF View Post
                Wilder brings so much more to the table than Parker that there would need to be a serious bump above 33.3% to make this fight happen. It's not going to get done at 35%. Wilder may try to hold out for 40%. We'll see. Hearn I'm sure will insist on 35% at first. These things can take a while.
                He will present wilder with a chance to earn maybe ten times his biggest ever pay check and become undisputed champion and then challenge him to turn it down. It won't be 35 and Wilder's team will then have to explain why wilder doesn't simply back himself to go and take all the belts along with control of the division.

                Ultimately time and options are on AJs side. He has plenty of opportunities to earn big money. Wilder has one. Wilder is 33 later this year and 35% of something is bigger than 40%of nothing.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Holler View Post
                  He will present wilder with a chance to earn maybe ten times his biggest ever pay check
                  He's going to offer Wilder $52 million?

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF View Post
                    So if AJ vacated the WBO, AJ vs. Wilder for the WBC/WBA/IBF wouldn't generate more revenue than AJ vs. Parker did?
                    Sure it would, Wilder's a better known fighter than Parker from a far more significant domestic market. But AJ isn't going to vacate the WBO, he's going to put it on the table along with 3 other belts and give Wilder a shot at taking himself into the elite level of boxing earners.

                    You must understand that wilder doesn't bring much more ticket revenue, or uk PPV, or global sales, AJ is already near the natural ceilings for each of those metrics. He brings more from the US, but not the PPV figures that would massively boost this into mega fight territory and he's not done the promo legwork Hearn was looking for to bridge that gap either.

                    Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF View Post
                    He's going to offer Wilder $52 million?
                    I was thinking more of the pay checks he earned for fighting in the ring, but although if wilder won the fight and the rematch I think Haymon could easily spin 52mill from having an undisputed heavyweight champ, let's say hyperbole got the better of me on that last post and say 5 times, or hey, 3.

                    It will still be multiple times greater than he's earned before or could earn elsewhere and the prize if he wins is truly immense. Which means that turning it down is going to prove problematic in itself.
                    Last edited by Holler; 04-10-2018, 03:23 AM.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF View Post
                      He was paid $5.2 million for the Povetkin fight.




                      He's a much bigger star than Parker, has a much more important belt than Parker and brings a much bigger market to the table than Parker does.
                      I almost stopped reading after the first sentence. You can't include a fight which did not happen, and by the way that revenue and ability to pay him that kind of money comes 90% from Povetkin' s side, and the Russian market. He was trying to buy the belt, similar to what Joshua did with Martin.

                      Also I think Parker-Joshua did over 100,000 (record) buys on New Zealand ppv, which is a remarkable number considering the time difference and the ppv was priced at the equivalent of $35 USD, so I'm not convinced Wilder is a bigger star, in terms of revenue anyway, which is where the focus should be when discussing split.

                      There worth is comparable. Wilder is a bigger name, and has a better belt, not that it matters that much nowadays. He brings more viewing figures, so a bigger audience, which will probably bring slightly higher international tv rights, although HBO and Showtime have paid for the last few Joshua fights regardless.

                      It is for sure a bigger fight, and being that it is for the undisputed title brings more prestige, but I don't think that necessarily equates to a bigger split for Wilder, and certainly not 40%, that is not going to happen. That would mean Joshua takes a pay cut, or paid the same as Takam, and Parker, whilst Wilder gets 10x his biggest pay day, laughable.

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