Carlos Takam = modern day Evander Holyfield

[caritafan]

Not even close.

[N!Ck F.]

Lewis lost in his 26th fight and while Joshua defeated Klitchko , Lewis defeated small 210 pound Levi Billups , a older journeyman ,via UD .

You are also comparing amateur b.s which has no relevance at Pro HW ,particularly when Joshua has a gold medal and he had limited time to train to prepare when he started . Lewis himself purposely stayed in the amateurs bc he lost and wanted a gold medal .

IMOP he did so to avoid an 80's Mike Tyson !

Here is a REALISTIC comparison of the ACTUAL skills of both if they fought .


Jab : Lewis
Left Hook : Lewis
Right Hand ; Lewis
Right Uppercut : Joshua
Body Punching : Joshua
Speed : Joshua
Foot Work: Joshua
Ring IQ : Tie
Stamina : Lewis
Inside Fighting : Joshua
Mid Range Fighting : Joshua
OutSide Fighting : Lewis
Combination Punching : Joshua
Accuracy : Joshua
Chin: Not appliable
Recovery Abilty : Joshua
Power : Joshua
Defense : Joshua
Size Advantage : Joshua
Ring Generalship : Lewis
Abilty to end fights quicker : Joshua
Abilty to Adapt : Lewis
Better Listener coming out of their corners : Joshua
Styles : Advantage : Joshua's aggressive counter punching over Cautious outside jabber Lewis

This match is FAR from anyone being appointed the heavy favorite but it would favor Joshua and hes only 20 fights in ,some of these stats are going to change .


Before you come back with some incoherent b.s telling me how much i dont know , i used to watch Lewis train in the poconos i even got to slap box him in my late teens . I grew up in the 90's era so you can save the jargon !

Lewis's OWN former manager said two years ago that Joshua was the better talent and he is !

I stopped reading when You listed “BETTER LISTENER COMING OUT OF THEIR CORNERS” as a common boxing attribute (p.s Lennox and Emmanuel Steward we’re in sync like no others) it’s good to see you try and speak English, but before you do you should watch more boxing. I’m sorry to burst your bubble (it’s an expression meaning I think you’re ****** basically) but Anthony Joshua right now vs. Mid to late 1990’s gets destroyed. If amateurs, dillan whyte & a 40 year old Wlad can have him down and out, Lennox would retire him.
Do you even know who Lennox Lewis is? Only thing you slap is that sorry excuse between your legs.

Joshua better than Lennox Lewis... LOL best troll ever, or the reason why you can’t discuss boxing intellectually online anymore.

[Mr Objecitivity]

AJ who was stopped in the amateurs??? AJ who was dropped by a 40+ Year old Wlad??? AJ that was rocked and out on his feet from DILLAN WHYTE???

That’s funny!

Be realistic. Lennox was an animal, A LION, legendary top 5 heavyweight of all time great. I like Joshua, but if you think the Joshua that fought Wlad would beat the mid to late 90’s Lennox Lewis you’re a clown. The Lennox that was in trouble against Vitali would ko Joshua. Prime Lennox does the same, just twice as easy.

Get outta here we that bull****.

Match up Lewis against *almost* ANY heavyweight in ANY era
and you see Lewis is superior. Lewis would have given guys like Ali and Holmes all they can handle... AJ is struggling with headgear in the amateurs and getting rocked and dropped by guys like Wlad and Dillon Whyte.

Lennox Lewis also has been stopped, dropped, knocked out and beaten by inferior boxers compared to Joshua.

Look, I'm not claiming Joshua is currently better than Lennox Lewis right now. That'd be a ridiculous claim to make for someone with only 20 bouts and with someone that has only fought 3 or 4 top level opponents. However, the only fair comparison we can make is that in 20 bouts and at age 28, Joshua has performed better and is better compared to Lennox Lewis when he was also 28 years of age with 20 bouts. However, Lennox Lewis OVERALL still CURRENTLY remains the better heavyweight compared to Joshua. That may change after Joshua retires.

Also, Holmes and Ali were too small by modern standard and would get destroyed by modern heavyweights like Joshua or Lennox Lewis.

[Mr Objecitivity]

They fight nothing alike. Holyfield had a jab that he used well and when he got hit he wold be aggressive.

Not a good comparison at all. Takam is just Takam

So are you claiming Carlos Takam is as dissimilar to Evander Holyfield as say, Nikolai Valuev is compared to Evander Holyfield?

[juggernaut666]

I stopped reading when You listed “BETTER LISTENER COMING OUT OF THEIR CORNERS” as a common boxing attribute (p.s Lennox and Emmanuel Steward we’re in sync like no others) it’s good to see you try and speak English, but before you do you should watch more boxing. I’m sorry to burst your bubble (it’s an expression meaning I think you’re ****** basically) but Anthony Joshua right now vs. Mid to late 1990’s gets destroyed. If amateurs, dillan whyte & a 40 year old Wlad can have him down and out, Lennox would retire him.
Do you even know who Lennox Lewis is? Only thing you slap is that sorry excuse between your legs.

Joshua better than Lennox Lewis... LOL best troll ever, or the reason why you can’t discuss boxing intellectually online anymore.

It doesnt matter what you stopped reading if you dont know the importance of a fighter of being as coachable as possible to execute in the ring then you need to find another sport bc its usually what makes the difference of becoming a champion if the talent is there .

You would also know Lewis had to go through a few trainers and he had to constantly have Steward worried in the corner bc he was not always ending fights sooner as Manny instructed .

As a matter of fact the most heated Steward got was in the Tyson fight ,bc Lewis was not following Stewards urgency to follow certain sequence of punches as the fight went longer .


Also if you didnt read beyond what you claimed how would your further spew out the garbage you continued to rant ?

Internet warrior , if you look at Lewis record you would see Lewis lost both early and late in his career to inferior fighters than Joshua . He was also rocked and losing some fights before landing a K.O blow to guys who wouldn't last long at all against Joshua !

M. Grant is just one example , he nearly had Lewis down in rnd one ,buckling his knees that nearly touched the canvas . Yet here you are using the words DESTROYED as if Joshua is some skilless weak fighter that doesn't stand a chance?

The fact Lewis's OWN former promoter doesnt think Lewis was a better fighter should have at least sparked some thought process even if you THINK its a mismatch





Learn about the sport kid before making claims of mismatches and directing off topic little kid temper tantrums,start with knowing amateur fights have no relevance to a developing HW PRO talent !

Ex Of Champions losing as amateurs then dealing crushing K.O's as Pros in rematches :


Henry Tillman vs Mike Tyson / Lewis vs Biggs and Whyte vs Joshua !

[STREET CLEANER]

So are you claiming Carlos Takam is as dissimilar to Evander Holyfield as say, Nikolai Valuev is compared to Evander Holyfield?

I watched Holyfield for years, since the olympics. They are not one bit similar.

Holyfield had skills, can slug, counter punch, box, jab and always had a killer instinct. Takam just sits there deflecting punches and tries to counter. He is more like Danny Garcia than Evander

[N!Ck F.]

Lennox Lewis also has been stopped, dropped, knocked out and beaten by inferior boxers compared to Joshua.

Look, I'm not claiming Joshua is currently better than Lennox Lewis right now. That'd be a ridiculous claim to make for someone with only 20 bouts and with someone that has only fought 3 or 4 top level opponents. However, the only fair comparison we can make is that in 20 bouts and at age 28, Joshua has performed better and is better compared to Lennox Lewis when he was also 28 years of age with 20 bouts. However, Lennox Lewis OVERALL still CURRENTLY remains the better heavyweight compared to Joshua. That may change after Joshua retires.

Also, Holmes and Ali were too small by modern standard and would get destroyed by modern heavyweights like Joshua or Lennox Lewis.

Joshua would have destroyed Ali and Larry Holmes?

A+ troll thread or you’re Eddie Hearn.

Ali and Holmes destroyed by Joshua... LOL

[mlac]

I stopped reading when You listed “BETTER LISTENER COMING OUT OF THEIR CORNERS” as a common boxing attribute (p.s Lennox and Emmanuel Steward we’re in sync like no others) it’s good to see you try and speak English, but before you do you should watch more boxing. I’m sorry to burst your bubble (it’s an expression meaning I think you’re ****** basically) but Anthony Joshua right now vs. Mid to late 1990’s gets destroyed. If amateurs, dillan whyte & a 40 year old Wlad can have him down and out, Lennox would retire him.
Do you even know who Lennox Lewis is? Only thing you slap is that sorry excuse between your legs.

Joshua better than Lennox Lewis... LOL best troll ever, or the reason why you can’t discuss boxing intellectually online anymore.

he's not a troll hes a total lunatic who's in love with AJ's BBC, he actually claimed AJ 'was the GOAT'... seriously, and this was before even beat an ancient Wlad

Any non casual fan knows Lennox would of splattered AJ inside 3 or 4 rounds.
Don't block or ignore this guy, he is comedy gold lol.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Joshua would have destroyed Ali and Larry Holmes?

A+ troll thread or you’re Eddie Hearn.

Ali and Holmes destroyed by Joshua... LOL

Yes, because Muhammad Ali wasn't even a proper heavyweight by modern standard and would instead most likely be a cruiser weight or perhaps even a light heavyweight today, if he was boxing today.

You do realize that during Ali's era, the minimum weight one was required to be was merely 176 pounds (lighter than today's female boxing heavyweight division) to be a heavyweight, right? Majority of Ali's bouts were against boxers who would be considered cruiser weights and light heavyweights today, based on their size.

Larry Holmes has a better chance against modern heavyweights because he has more feats against modern sized heavyweights but Muhammad Ali was too small and majority of his opponents were too small to be even qualified as legitimate opponents for modern heavyweights like Anthony Joshua or the Klitschkos.

Just because I have a different inference on something (based on actual facts) compared to you, doesn't mean I'm trolling. I have reasons for why I concluded what I concluded.

[Mr Objecitivity]

I watched Holyfield for years, since the olympics. They are not one bit similar.

Holyfield had skills, can slug, counter punch, box, jab and always had a killer instinct. Takam just sits there deflecting punches and tries to counter. He is more like Danny Garcia than Evander

Yes, they are similar. To claim they are "not one bit similar" is like me claiming a "tiger is not one but similar to a lion" when that's obviously false.

Doesn't Holyfield have an excellent chin / punch resistance? So does Takam.

Doesn't Holyfield throw excellent combination punches? So does Carlos Takam.

Doesn't Holyfield box in the pocket / inside? So does Takam.

Perhaps Holyfield is better than Takam and does those things better than Takam. But that's not the point! Two boxers can be stylistically similar with one being a better boxer and being better at using the same style.


Yes, maybe Takam is more similar to Danny Garcia than he is to Evander Holyfield. However, the question isn't: 'who does Takam most closely resemble stylistically. The question is: who does Evander Holyfield most closely resemble out of the current heavyweights and Takam seems like he is closer to Holyfield stylistically than any other heavyweight today.

Otherwise, who is most similar to Holyfield stylistically out of the current heavyweight boxers?