Comments Thread For: Luis Ortiz: Joshua is a Well Cared For Girl - Worse Than Wilder!

[vitali1999]

so AJ has fought wlad and breazeale......

but then you ask who has wilder faced?




you just can't make this shit up... sig worthy!

Breazele is way bigger and better than anyone wilder has faced
Matter of fact he would knock wilder out. Wilder is garbage

[greeneye99]

Breazeale is an an absolute joke, I can't believe his name is mentioned to give Joshua credibility.

Give me two good names that Wilder fought?

[greeneye99]

We know you are lying because you have absolutely no way of knowing what Wilder actually gets paid. For tax purposes, and for the purpose of avoiding sanctioning fees, the A-side of a main event is frequently paid in various ways to minimize the number on the commission contract.

For the Povetkin fight, which was a purse bid where Wilder's actual purse can be proven, he was set to make over $5 million. For recent rights where Wilder was publicly listed at $1.5 million, there is no reason to believe he wasn't receiving other money since that is the common procedure in the industry.

For you, an outsider, with no knowledge of how things work, to definitively declare that $1.5 million is his max, is terribly naive, as well as likely drastically inaccurate.




And as was already covered, when his team controls the promotion, his revealed purse will be deceiving. When another team controlled the promotion, his purse was over $5 million.




Notorious for overpaying fighters based on what they're actually paid, not what's on paper. You're actually disproving your own argument.




Nobody credible actually believes Wilder deserves 50/50. He's just talking up the fight. Wilder's side would eventually accept 60/40. That is how these games are played. Wilder will want 50/50, AJ will want 70/30 and they'll meet in the middle. Get a clue.

Lol and You think Wilder makes 5 more extra million besides the 1,5 lol well that means using Your Logic Joshua gets an extra 10 million to go along with his 20 million a fight

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Lol and You think Wilder makes 5 more extra million besides the 1,5

Nobody said that.

lol well that means using Your Logic Joshua gets an extra 10 million to go along with his 20 million a fight

He may have made $20 million for the Klitschko fight, but it's unlikely he made $20 million for the Takam fight, let alone $30 million.

AJ's purses are at a level where hiding his true purse wouldn't reduce sanctioning fees anyway, so there's less incentive. Also, we're not experts on British tax law, so it's hard to say how the loopholes compare to what is commonly used in the US by fighters to reduce their tax liability.

[N/A]

That only happens for foreign fighters/PPVs. Not American fighters, they can't hide shit.

What experience or expertise do you have that would allow you to know one way or the other whether what you just wrote is true? You're just a fan on a message board that knows absolutely nothing. American fighters manipulate their purses all the time to save on sanctioning fees, taxes, trainer fees, etc. There are many ways to do that. You hire yourself to fight so that your company is cutting the check, siphoning profits to minimize the "purse" the state, sanctioning body & trainer are getting their cut from. You create a company to sell some of the foreign rights so that revenue isn't touched by the sanctioning body. There are all sorts of tricks.

ESPECIALLY in New York where the taxes are outrageous.

You don't really think Cotto's true purse was $750,000 do you?

[Robbie Barrett]

What experience or expertise do you have that would allow you to know one way or the other whether what you just wrote is true? You're just a fan on a message board that knows absolutely nothing. American fighters manipulate their purses all the time to save on sanctioning fees, taxes, trainer fees, etc. There are many ways to do that. You hire yourself to fight so that your company is cutting the check, siphoning profits to minimize the "purse" the state, sanctioning body & trainer are getting their cut from. You create a company to sell some of the foreign rights so that revenue isn't touched by the sanctioning body. There are all sorts of tricks.

ESPECIALLY in New York where the taxes are outrageous.

You don't really think Cotto's true purese was $750,000 do you?

You're certainly trying hard, i'll give you that. But unless you have any evidence of this it's all just speculation. Lets deal with the facts.

Wilder hasn't received a purse (officially) over 1.5 mil. Joshua earns 10x more than the guy. To even start negotiations at 50/50 is ridiculous.

[TheUntouchable]

Give me two good names that Wilder fought?

What for? What does Wilder's weak opposition have to do with my statement regarding Breazeale? You agenda driven 'fans' are the downfall of the sport.

[N/A]

You're certainly trying hard, i'll give you that. But unless you have any evidence of this it's all just speculation. Lets deal with the facts.

WE DON'T HAVE TO PROVE A NEGATIVE. You're the one claiming Wilder's pay maxes out at $1.5 million. But there's absolutely no way for you to know if that's true. You're making an unfounded claim.

Wilder hasn't received a purse (officially) over 1.5 mil.

He received his Povetkin purse, so that's no true.

Joshua earns 10x more than the guy. To even start negotiations at 50/50 is ridiculous.

Joshua was guaranteed $13 million for Klitschko, the biggest fight possible for him. Wilder was guaranteed $5 million for Povetkin, nowhere near the biggest fight possible for him.

There's no doubt AJ is a bigger draw. There's no doubt AJ is the A-side. But he doesn't earn 10x more than Wilder. To reach that figure, you're taking Hearn's inflated numbers at face value and taking Haymon's deflated numbers at face value. In reality, the disparity is not as large as you believe.

We realize you're a die hard AJ fan. You want to see him in the most positive light possible. You want to believe his promoter. There's nothing wrong with that. Boxing exists to entertain the public and you should enjoy whatever you enjoy. We need more fans like you.

But the business realities are often very complicated and nuanced. AJ is reaching critical mass in his home market that would make it difficult to continue the rapid growth he's shown in the territory. So it will soon be time to branch out. The most lucrative market for him to try to crack is obviously the United States.

And the most lucrative US fight for him, by far, is Deontay Wilder. Especially if they don't rush into it.

On the other hand, Deontay hasn't reached critical mass in his home market. He is just now starting to experience rapid growth. The Stiverne KO1 went viral as did his interviews in the aftermath. If Wilder beats King Kong, it'll raise his profile even more.

What prospect is there for AJ to sell a few hundred thousand PPVs in the US other than a fight with Wilder? So it's not just about what Wilder draws on his own right now. It's about a pot Wilder and AJ can create together that they can't create with anybody else.

Undefeated vs Undefeated. Both charismatic. For the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world. It's the kind of fight that comes along so rarely. To truly determine who is the champion of our planet. The baddest man on the planet.

With Wilder holding the most important belt, and holding the keys to the most lucrative market, you can't expect him to take 25-30% as if he's a mandatory. He's going to get 35-40% for sure.

[Robbie Barrett]

WE DON'T HAVE TO PROVE A NEGATIVE. You're the one claiming Wilder's pay maxes out at $1.5 million. But there's absolutely no way for you to know if that's true. You're making an unfounded claim.

His purses have been revealed. That's the proof.


It's you claiming he makes more money and that's not his total purse. It shifts to you to back up those claims.

Of course you can't. You just inventing **** to support Wilders ******ed stance.

Don't you get bored of being so ******ed?

[N/A]

His purses have been revealed. That's the proof.

But we already know the industry standard for someone in his position is to file a lower number to save on taxes and sanctioning fees.

Unless you really believe Cotto only made $750,000?