Comments Thread For: Luis Ortiz: Joshua is a Well Cared For Girl - Worse Than Wilder!

[club fighter]

Yea AJ is a pansy, but Ortiz can't talk too much shyt when he's fighting the likes of Daniel Martz.

[FLY TY]

I like Joshua as a person and fighter but his fanatics are killing me with these percentage talks whenever a good fight presents itself. also they are overhyping and living off the klitz win, good win but please stop it!

I don't know him as a person, but I agree whole-heartedly with the bold....

Makes you wonder if Eddie Hearn has an NSB account.

[uppercut510]

i don't know him as a person, but i agree whole-heartedly with the bold....

Makes you wonder if eddie hearn has an nsb account.

seems like a cool down to earth guy but ur 100% correct its very annoying

[LacedUp]

Ortiz is fighting a journeyman in miami but AJ is a protected girl?

[Robbie Barrett]

We don't have to prove a negative. The onus is on you to prove your original statement. The truth is that you have no idea what Wilder really makes per fight, because you only know what is filed with the commission, which is often very different from the fighter's true purse, especially when it's the main event a-side.

So you accuse someone of lying without any?

None of his revealed purses are over 1.5 mil.

That's from a Haymon fighter, Haymon is notorious for overpaying fighters. Wilders real value is almost certainly less.

50/50 though.

[N/A]

So you accuse someone of lying without any?

We know you are lying because you have absolutely no way of knowing what Wilder actually gets paid. For tax purposes, and for the purpose of avoiding sanctioning fees, the A-side of a main event is frequently paid in various ways to minimize the number on the commission contract.

For the Povetkin fight, which was a purse bid where Wilder's actual purse can be proven, he was set to make over $5 million. For recent rights where Wilder was publicly listed at $1.5 million, there is no reason to believe he wasn't receiving other money since that is the common procedure in the industry.

For you, an outsider, with no knowledge of how things work, to definitively declare that $1.5 million is his max, is terribly naive, as well as likely drastically inaccurate.

None of his revealed purses are over 1.5 mil.

And as was already covered, when his team controls the promotion, his revealed purse will be deceiving. When another team controlled the promotion, his purse was over $5 million.

That's from a Haymon fighter, Haymon is notorious for overpaying fighters. Wilders real value is almost certainly less.

Notorious for overpaying fighters based on what they're actually paid, not what's on paper. You're actually disproving your own argument.

50/50 though.

Nobody credible actually believes Wilder deserves 50/50. He's just talking up the fight. Wilder's side would eventually accept 60/40. That is how these games are played. Wilder will want 50/50, AJ will want 70/30 and they'll meet in the middle. Get a clue.

[Robbie Barrett]

We know you are lying because you have absolutely no way of knowing what Wilder actually gets paid. For tax purposes, and for the purpose of avoiding sanctioning fees, the A-side of a main event is frequently paid in various ways to minimize the number on the commission contract.

That only happens for foreign fighters/PPVs. Not American fighters, they can't hide shit.

For the Povetkin fight, which was a purse bid where Wilder's actual purse can be proven, he was set to make over $5 million.

That fight didn't happen. So is irrelevant. That was also Povetkins promoter overpaying to have the fight in Russia. Kind of like how Joshua overpaid Martin. It didn't reflect Wilders value.

For recent rights where Wilder was publicly listed at $1.5 million, there is no reason to believe he wasn't receiving other money since that is the common procedure in the industry.

You don't know that. Guess work from you.

For you, an outsider, with no knowledge of how things work, to definitively declare that $1.5 million is his max, is terribly naive, as well as likely drastically inaccurate.

Those are the numbers.

And as was already covered, when his team controls the promotion, his revealed purse will be deceiving. When another team controlled the promotion, his purse was over $5 million.

Martin made what $7 million was he worth that too or was he overpaid like Wilder was going to be?

Notorious for overpaying fighters based on what they're actually paid, not what's on paper. You're actually disproving your own argument.

No i'm not.

Nobody credible actually believes Wilder deserves 50/50. He's just talking up the fight. Wilder's side would eventually accept 60/40. That is how these games are played. Wilder will want 50/50, AJ will want 70/30 and they'll meet in the middle. Get a clue.

Joshua being 10x the draw. Wilder doesn't even deserve 25% to be fair.

[evets]

Why are people even paying attention to someone who helped put the HW in the state it is today, and who is a disgrace to boxing. Regardless of your feelings on Joshua or Wilder, no one should give Ortiz the time of day. He has thrown away his career and in the process trampled all over the sport that gave him whatever he has in life and all the people who had his back in the lead up to the 2nd attempted Wilder Ortiz fight. He is clearly throwing shade at the Joshua camp now as he knows it's all he has left as I would suspect Wilders camp want nothing to do with him any more. Sad state of affairs. What's worse is some fans still defend him or take his side. This man deserves nothing from any of us.

[vitali1999]

Breazeale is an an absolute joke, I can't believe his name is mentioned to give Joshua credibility.

Well it's certainly slot better than Arreola now isn't it.

[vitali1999]

That only happens for foreign fighters/PPVs. Not American fighters, they can't hide shit.



That fight didn't happen. So is irrelevant. That was also Povetkins promoter overpaying to have the fight in Russia. Kind of like how Joshua overpaid Martin. It didn't reflect Wilders value.



You don't know that. Guess work from you.



Those are the numbers.



Martin made what $7 million was he worth that too or was he overpaid like Wilder was going to be?





No i'm not.





Joshua being 10x the draw. Wilder doesn't even deserve 25% to be fair.

True, Breazele could beat wilder, but he won't face anybody that posses a threat