Never Realized How Dirty Ward Was Until Today

[kilojay505]

I want to start this off by saying, I'm a really big fan of Andre Ward. Great talent. Enjoyed watching him fight since I discivered him in the Super 6.

I will say, I do think he's been a bítch at times especially before he fought Kovalev. He said somehting like, and I'm paraphrasing here: So if I beat Kovalev, what's next? They're just going to put me in against guy that want to see me lose against.

I thought that was a bítch thing to say. Like, hey man --- you keep winning thats what you do.

Forget Goosen, he mishandled himself with the inactivity. But thats all fine and dandy because he came back and fought Kovalev and beat him solid 2x. I don't see how there is controversy in their first fight. I had it a clear 116-112 or somethng like that.

A poster here GhostofDempsey posted the below video today.



At first I'm like, 28 minutes hall naw. But I gave it a wack and I'll be damned --- Ward is dirty as fùck.

I absolutely despise holding and hitting. Holding/clinching is one thing, but to hit while doing it is completely something else.

I know Floyd uses his elbow to create distance, but Ward takes it to the next level with actual elbow strikes!!!

The headbutts, a lot of guys get accused of using their head and it's usually bullshít. But Ward spears his head very regularly.

The low blows, prior to today I thought a lot were borderline, but that video showed me a lot of tactics with low blows. He definitely used them to his advantage. Getting his positioning right so the ref is on the opponents back and out of view and etc.

He gets guys super frustrated by his dirty moves that they get taken out of their game.

So, the only logical question for me that I'm wrestling with is, how good was Ward really? Could he have beaten all of those guys if he fought clean?

This isegy I respect Ward the p4p #1 he uses old veteran tactics his ring generalship is secobd to none he take control in the ring one way or another. I can tell from your post you dont box or not competitively because you would know when you got someone across the ring trying to hurt you and money on the fight you do what you got to. Take a look at some old school boxing you will see a lot of "dirty" tactics

[McNulty]

I can tell from your post you dont box or not competitively because you would know when you got someone across the ring trying to hurt you and money on the fight you do what you got to. Take a look at some old school boxing you will see a lot of "dirty" tactics

You need to re-evaluate your reasoning because I did box competively. Undefeated in the Am's. Trained/Sparred with domestic and world champs, used to whip on an IKSA world champ.

I've seen so many boxing matches I lost count somewhere around 6,000.

[lolpz]

Yes he did, I que'd it up for you in the last post. Click the video for Olympic footage bro.

Seems like he was waiting for the ref to break them and the ref never did so he kept clinching (which isn't illegal btw) until the ref did something. If anything it's the ref's fault for taking so long to break them and make it look so awkward.

[elfag]

ward is more than mayweather/hopkins dirty, ward is holyfield level dirty

[elfag]

No it's not man. That elbow strike is advanced tech and highly practiced. You don't learn on your own how to low blow when the ref is behind your opponent, thats taught! Spearing heads like that, very much practiced.

Holding and hitting is very much an advanced skill. That doesn't come natural.



Give this a watch. I que'd up some Am's footage for you.

This bout was 4 x 2 minute rounds. An 8 minute fight with 4 minutes of octopus grabbing by Ward?



Look at those under hooks man. When I fought in the Am's, the refs pulled fighters apart instant. He led that cat around the ring with his hooks dug deep in for a full 10 seconds!

At 16:24 he holds and hits the dude behind the head. 16:59, 17:26, 17:52 (2x lol), he holds and hits again. I stopped counting after that, too much work dude.



Reported for racism. Come on man, we're having an intelligent discussion. Don't come in to my thread and start that shít dude.

that ref is a fat lazy ***, he shouldnt be reffing, look at him he is on the other side of the ring and when he finally breaks them up, instead of stepping in and doing it, he just yells at them to break from the other side of the ring. he is literally too lazy to walk 10 feet over to break them. Like jesus christ, its not the most physically demanding job but you have to be attentive, that guy has no business being a ref, but neither do a lot of refs and judges.

[McNulty]

Seems like he was waiting for the ref to break them and the ref never did so he kept clinching (which isn't illegal btw) until the ref did something. If anything it's the ref's fault for taking so long to break them and make it look so awkward.

Holding is actually illegal and thats what Ward was doing, he was holding.

Boxers are prohibited from hitting below the belt, holding, tripping, pushing, biting, spitting on or wrestling their opponent.

As opposed to a clinch.

If a “clinch” – a defensive move in which a fighter wraps his/her arms around those of the opponent and holds on to create a pause – is broken by the referee, each fighter must take a full step back before punching again. Alternatively, the referee may direct the fighters to “punch out” of the clinch.

Source:

That's one instance man. He was holding and hitting. I even gave you the time stamps!

They are prohibited from holding the ropes for support when punching, holding an opponent while punching.

Source: ^

that ref is a fat lazy ***, he shouldnt be reffing, look at him he is on the other side of the ring and when he finally breaks them up, instead of stepping in and doing it, he just yells at them to break from the other side of the ring. he is literally too lazy to walk 10 feet over to break them. Like jesus christ, its not the most physically demanding job but you have to be attentive, that guy has no business being a ref, but neither do a lot of refs and judges.

Every Am's ref I've seen moves very slowly. Point is, Ward is fouling even in the AM's and is a habitual offender. He even throws an elbow for crying out loud.

[mathed]

There is a good reason why he never fought in the opponent's backyard. He would likely have lost every single fight via DQ.

[TonyGe]

Don't like Ward's cheating. Don't respect him. However he's a damned good boxer. Could he beat everyone he fought clean. Probably, but he'd rather take the easier way. Won't miss him.

[spenz]

If you think about it this way:

Andre Ward is a very skilled boxer who practices the art of dirty boxing to demoralize and break his opponents spirit and will to win.

and not this way:

Andre Ward is a very skilled boxer but at the same time a dirty cheater who fully took advantage by being an American boxer fighting solely in the American soil to get away with all his dirty tactics that are of course illegal.

Then you can see how his haters and his admirers are at an odds against each other.

[Sp0rty Cr@ig]

Very dirty fighter. Also his style is not attractive to me. That being said he has some great wins and never lost. Thought Kov would do better in the rematch but Ward showed he is the better man. Too bad he was so inactive in his prime years. Thought he would dominate boxing after super 6