GGG has 1 competitive fight now he is "slipping" yea right more like media overhyping

[future hendrixx]

This is the stuff I have problems with with many reasonable cats on NSB. Its the ain't done sh^t defense that you can basically use on anyone in boxing today cuz resume smashing is an art that's easily attainable by even the dummies of NSB.

And there is levels to the you ain't done sh^t angle that you can use on anyone.

When you first start to fight you legit fight ain't sh^t opponents most of the time.

Then you move up & maybe fight some journeymen ain't sh^t guys.

Then you get into contender status & then those guys ain't sh^t.

Then you win a title, but you won it from some ain't sh^t title holder.

Then you defend it against some ain't sh^t contenders.

No one in boxing is fighting non-ain't sh^t guys when you have this sorta stance about how the sport works. I mean ALL THE GUYS ON TIP TOP like GGG is have fought a bunch of non-ain't sh^t guys to get where they got if we are being reasonable & not emotional cuz of something some dummy said hyping this guy or hating some other guy, but everyone keeps moving the ain't sh^t goal posts further & further up the ladder til there is like one cat who's the only guy who's non-ain't sh^t in a division & sometimes that's even a title that's retroactively taken away if he didn't perform well enough in the fight. Its all kinda f#cking dumb & sh^ts on the accomplishments of the best guys in the sport regardless if you are for or against any particular guy.

[Metho_4u]

Like I keep saying we got a drastically different thought process with this.

You think a guy who's the 5th(?) best guy in a division like Davey is C+ cuz he is far from some Floyd, Manny or any P4P type guy.

And I say whoever is 5th best in a division is a A level guy by virtue of being considered the 5th best guy in a division.

Lol ok, we obviously don't see things the same way. I for instance consider Ward an A level fighter based on his skill, ability to adapt, etc. If you were to see a fight between ward and lemieux, David would not win a single rd.

[Metho_4u]

lil g takes a half step up in competition and is now slipping and too sore to fight more than twice each year. the hype train crashed and exploded. he's looking to cash out with canelo. they even ducked 50 yr old hopkins. HBO couldn't wait to make excuses for him. they already gave up on Chocolatito lol he came and went they dont even hype him no more. lil g bout to be discarded soon too. the last hope is lomachenko. keep him away from mikey.

I actually think he beats Mikey, but win or lose, the difference between buttlovekin and lomachenko is Loma isn't afraid to take a risk, and only wants bigger challenges

[Eff Pandas]

I for instance consider Ward an A level fighter based on his skill, ability to adapt, etc. If you were to see a fight between ward and lemieux, David would not win a single rd.

Yea & like I keep saying I'm not **** measuring guys in different weight divisions in the first place. That's silly from the start to me & why I think P4P is the most sci-fi fantasy childish bs serious boxing fans talk about in a serious way.

If a guy moves up or down a division, fair play. But til a guy is in a division & ideally have fought in said division its all a huge bundle of speculation on where or if he should be ranked top whatever-ish or considered A, B or whatever level of fighter for that division.

[Metho_4u]

Yea & like I keep saying I'm not **** measuring guys in different weight divisions in the first place. That's silly from the start to me & why I think P4P is the most sci-fi fantasy childish bs serious boxing fans talk about in a serious way.

If a guy moves up or down a division, fair play. But til a guy is in a division & ideally have fought in said division its all a huge bundle of speculation on where or if he should be ranked top whatever-ish or considered A, B or whatever level of fighter for that division.

It's not d1ck measuring at all. The fact that Sanchez has said with his own mouth that golovkin KOs HWs in sparring, I think makes it more than fair to compare a 168 lb Ward (when this conversation about them fighting happened) to a 160 lb golovkin. Ward is a proven A level, while golovkin had not proven **** except a list of wins over C level guys.

[Eff Pandas]

It's not d1ck measuring at all.

I don't even know what you are going on about at this point, but of course its **** measuring when you start throwing out names & who beats who or who doesn't beat who.

No particular guy matters with what I'm talking about. I don't give a f#ck about names or care about any specific matchup or who wins when & if it does happen with what I'm talking about.

The important question for me is: Is this a top ten guy in whatever division he's in? If yes he's a A level or elite guy in that division to me.

[Metho_4u]

I don't even know what you are going on about at this point, but of course its **** measuring when you start throwing out names & who beats who or who doesn't beat who.

No particular guy matters with what I'm talking about. I don't give a f#ck about names or care about any specific matchup or who wins when & if it does happen with what I'm talking about.

The important question for me is: Is this a top ten guy in whatever division he's in? If yes he's a A level or elite guy in that division to me.

Why do you act like you're butthurt then?

Idk what YOU'RE going on about...you can't go by division because fighters jump divisions all the time, that's why I'm speaking of skills and quality of fighter...if golovkin WAS A level at 160, then 168 shouldn't be an issue to beat guys there, but he's avoided it, so that shows his lack of REAL skill and p4p status...whether you agree with p4p or not.

[Eff Pandas]

Why do you act like you're butthurt then?

No clue what makes you think I'm butthurt. Cuz I used the word f#ck? I say f#ck a lot. It doesn't mean f#cking anything to me. Its a casual word to me.

Idk what YOU'RE going on about...you can't go by division because fighters jump divisions all the time, that's why I'm speaking of skills and quality of fighter...if golovkin WAS A level at 160, then 168 shouldn't be an issue to beat guys there, but he's avoided it, so that shows his lack of REAL skill and p4p status...whether you agree with p4p or not.

I don't see THAT many guys jumping divisions all the time. Most top ten/elite level guys stay in a division & gradually move up over the years when they do change divisions. And most non-top ten guys just move up as they get more out of shape or get bigger as they age if they move divisions at all. Doesn't really matter in the context of what I was talking about doe. Once you move up or down then you land in whatever level you land at based on your perceived potential + what you've proven in the new division.

And again I got no dog in this GGG fight so idk why you keep bringing him up. I've barely talked about GGG in this whole thread. I've been talking about the lack of respect for top boxers opponents by fans who just sh^t on this guy or fanboy about this other guy with all this no elite boxers/A level boxers in a division stuff people believe that just lowers the accomplishments of all boxers since no one's done anything worth a damn.

[LetOutTheCage]

thank you for admitting the truth...how will you know how good a fighter is when they fight C level opposition on HBO and PPV?

I COME ACROSS AS A HATER TO THOSE WHO SUCK HIM OFF BUT CRITICIZE OTHER MORE ACCOMPLISHED FIGHTERS RESUME...ENJOY THE PLATE OF CROW...IVE BEEN CONSISTENT ABOUT GGG


you are trying waaaaaaaay to hard

how many top middleweights has he fought.....3...geale was shot and lost to barker prior to losing to GGG and cotto.....Lemmy is good....so is Jacobs

after them his competition is a bunch of C level guys, and a top welterweight

facts=hate to fan boys

You come across as a hater because you admitted GGG has fought opponents on Jacobs level before(which he had no trouble) but then say its because he got found out when he stepped up in class. If you cant see the contradiction in you're statements then you really shouldn't be posting...You refuse to acknowledge anyone else's valid points all the while claiming we should listen to you because you're right, that's a hater. I can accept valid criticism of any fighter provided that it is valid.

[therealpugilist]

You come across as a hater because you admitted GGG has fought opponents on Jacobs level before(which he had no trouble) but then say its because he got found out when he stepped up in class. If you cant see the contradiction in you're statements then you really shouldn't be posting...You refuse to acknowledge anyone else's valid points all the while claiming we should listen to you because you're right, that's a hater. I can accept valid criticism of any fighter provided that it is valid.

when you step up competition, you wont be as dominant when you were facing club fighters....common sense

jacobs was his best opponent...more skilled than Lemieux, more athletic, explosive....its clear as day

nothing more or less...dude isnt shot, isnt showing signs of slippage...he had a competitive fight....happens to the best...oh well