GGG has 1 competitive fight now he is "slipping" yea right more like media overhyping

[Eff Pandas]

I can't speak to that logic because I don't employ it. Again, I have never said GGG wasn't any good, only that a close fight isn't indicative of slippage but that perhaps that he isn't on the level that many suggest he is.

I think you get to the "a level" or "elite" status by defeating fighters perceived as better than you or on that level. I understand your point, I just don't know why you are bringing it up relative to this discussion.

Cuz you said you thought the 2nd or 3rd best guy at 160 is B level. And now you just said perhaps GGG isn't on the level that many suggest he's on so maybe everyone is B level at 160 lol.

I don't think some of you guys understand how the whole grading thing works. Someone gots to be A level one would think right? And I'd argue if there are 1500(?) or whatever boxers at 160 then at a minimum the top 10, top 15 guys are probably A level cuz they are in the top 1% of the division.

I don't get that Brook stuff either. As I said then that fight showed me GGG had the ability to adapt and impose his will and pull out a win despite being outboxed a little early in the fight. Now I had Jacobs winning a close fight. I attributed it more to the weight and jump in comp level and not GGG "being exposed" whatever that means. I can't understand why you are bringing this stuff up when I am not a poster that suggested anything like this

You brought up the perception that GGG is slipping among certain people. I was commenting on the landscape of the division in regards to guys not necessarily running to fight him previously to more guys being open to it now seemingly that suggest there is a belief among boxers &/or their teams that GGG might be ripe for a L or slipping one could argue.

I'd concede there is probably an argument that the more popular GGG gets (& him doing PPV"s at all suggests he's growing in popularity despite the nothing to get excited about numbers of said PPV's) + the more money being throw in his general direction = more cats craving the money more than they care about an L or risk of an L with fighting GGG too. So its not a definite its all about GGG looking like he's on a downward trend in his career although it probably doesn't hurt this angle if there is more money coming GGG's way + he's perceived as more beatable.

[Real King Kong]

so he didnt look sharp vs Lemieux?

he looked unmotivated vs brook more so than slipping

its easy to look like an all time great, when youre an A class fighter, fighting C Level guys with the occasional B thrown in

he looks like the same fighter he has always been

he was never a fighter that relied on speed, movement, etc

he is efficient, a calculated destroyer so no...i dont see slippage

i saw a man actually in there with a legit guy trying to win, in his division have a close fight

nothing more or less

I don't think ggg moves quite as well as he used to...he walks into shots more and gets caught reaching a bit and doesn't quite react the way he used to. He's a bit slower all the way around....but this is no surprise for a 35 yr old fighter.

[Metho_4u]

I voted GGG A- in the poll that asked about him. I see him a little bit better than you do, which is ok.

I think you can make any number of conclusions about GGG coming off the Jacobs fight. I thought Jacobs being bigger presented some problems. I also thought Jacobs did some things that confused and hurt ggg.

However, if you say that GGG dominated jacobs (and that he let him hit him) and then you say he is showing slippage and thats why people want to fight him, well that is just doesn't make any sense to me.

In fairness, I don't like golovkin as a fighter, as a person he seems fine. I think much of the fault lies with Loeffler and k2 for making him out to be more than he was/is.

As far as Jacobs, yes, he was bigger, but let's assume Jacobs was 180 lbs, or even 185, what about Sanchez' claim of him knocking out HWs in sparring? Imo a p4p fighter has to be able to adapt to size, style, power, etc. I don't really see that golovkin did that. I think he fought the same way he always does and almost lost vs a guy who is a decent fighter, but let's be honest, pirog looked much better fighting Jacobs and he would've been someone I considered the real deal.

It's also a fact that while the whole "unifying" thing was a nice cover, what it did do was allow them excuses to not move up and test the waters vs Ramirez, DeGale, Jack, etc. I believe any of those fights could've been made, and the worst case scenario is that 168 didn't work out and he moved back to 160 where he STILL would be champion and could've continued his quest to "unify".

[The Big Dunn]

Cuz you said you thought the 2nd or 3rd best guy at 160 is B level. And now you just said perhaps GGG isn't on the level that many suggest he's on so maybe everyone is B level at 160 lol.

I don't think some of you guys understand how the whole grading thing works. Someone gots to be A level one would think right? And I'd argue if there are 1500(?) or whatever boxers at 160 then at a minimum the top 10, top 15 guys are probably A level cuz they are in the top 1% of the division.



You brought up the perception that GGG is slipping among certain people. I was commenting on the landscape of the division in regards to guys not necessarily running to fight him previously to more guys being open to it now seemingly that suggest there is a belief among boxers &/or their teams that GGG might be ripe for a L or slipping one could argue.

I'd concede there is probably an argument that the more popular GGG gets (& him doing PPV"s at all suggests he's growing in popularity despite the nothing to get excited about numbers of said PPV's) + the more money being throw in his general direction = more cats craving the money more than they care about an L or risk of an L with fighting GGG too. So its not a definite its all about GGG looking like he's on a downward trend in his career although it probably doesn't hurt this angle if there is more money coming GGG's way + he's perceived as more beatable.

No, I said I graded him b/B+. I said the close ness of the fight doesn't indicate slippage, but perhaps that GGG isn't A/A+ as some suggest.

Where we differ then is you can be a top guy in a division but that doesn't mean you are an elite level fighter. I think this has been the case with MW and HWT for some time.

Well thats where we agree-the more money he can generate the more likely guys will be willing to fight him. In many ways its like Floyd-I don't think the guys that didn't fight him were scared of him, it was just high risk, low reward.

[Metho_4u]

I don't think ggg moves quite as well as he used to...he walks into shots more and gets caught reaching a bit and doesn't quite react the way he used to. He's a bit slower all the way around....but this is no surprise for a 35 yr old fighter.

No, for a 35 year old fighter it's not a surprise. I think the issue is that when he was a 30, 31, 32, 33, year old fighter, he wasn't taking fights that tested his true ability. He's sat around, waited on canelo, sent mixed messages to the public and other fighters with "supposed" offers, with "supposed" life changing money, with "supposed" offers to ward and Froch that turned out to be catchweights, which would've been less of a big deal if he wasn't soooo adamant about ONLY fighting canelo at 160, and no sort of cw even considered.

[Fists_of_Fury]

I bet most of the "slippage" doe cunts have never seen the Ouma fight or probably any non HBO hype train GGG fights. I think it's a built in excuse for when/if he loses. It's kinda weird how his "slippage" coincides with more stringent drug testing and a jump in class of opposition.

[Metho_4u]

Cuz you said you thought the 2nd or 3rd best guy at 160 is B level. And now you just said perhaps GGG isn't on the level that many suggest he's on so maybe everyone is B level at 160 lol.

I don't think some of you guys understand how the whole grading thing works. Someone gots to be A level one would think right? And I'd argue if there are 1500(?) or whatever boxers at 160 then at a minimum the top 10, top 15 guys are probably A level cuz they are in the top 1% of the division.

This is untrue, talent is one thing...marketability is something totally different, and many fighters are not "drafted" because they aren't marketable.

[Real King Kong]

No, for a 35 year old fighter it's not a surprise. I think the issue is that when he was a 30, 31, 32, 33, year old fighter, he wasn't taking fights that tested his true ability. He's sat around, waited on canelo, sent mixed messages to the public and other fighters with "supposed" offers, with "supposed" life changing money, with "supposed" offers to ward and Froch that turned out to be catchweights, which would've been less of a big deal if he wasn't soooo adamant about ONLY fighting canelo at 160, and no sort of cw even considered.

It's true...while i don't excuse canelo for ducking him, it was their choice to waste that time. Maybe getting paid well and fighting on hbo was enough...who knows. He's still had a more successful career than most.

[SUBZER0ED]

Brook is the IBF champion which means he can't rehydrate more than 10lbs before the morning of the fight weigh-in. His only fight night weight on record is 156. Show me the evidence of him being a massive WW. If he's a massive WW, Golovkin is a massive MW and he still fought someone from 2 divisions smaller.

Struggling to make weight doesn't mean he's massive in the ring on fight night. Some people can't dehydrate as much as others.

Brook himself and his team said that he's a big WW.

[therealpugilist]

I don't think ggg moves quite as well as he used to...he walks into shots more and gets caught reaching a bit and doesn't quite react the way he used to. He's a bit slower all the way around....but this is no surprise for a 35 yr old fighter.

dude was never a defensive wiz...hell a shot to bits Kassim Ouma was touching him up like crazy....was he in his prime to you, then?

when he was getting touched up by willie monroe "he was letting hit him, doe!!!"

please miss us with this lame....he slipping doe...campaign

i remember posters saying GGG die hards were gonna say he was slipping if he didnt dominate Jacobs

damn that was prophetic...where were all these threads and comments before he fought jacobs


bwhahahahahahahaha

Jacobs goes the full 12 .... a legit top 3 middleweight " he got the rounds he needed" says Sanchez and GGG fanatics...sure...a guy thats 35 is worried about getting rounds in when he has 35+ pro fights...a 20 fight ko streak and 300 amatuer fights.....bwahahahahahahahaha


keep the excuses rolling in...like i said before, a talented fighter will look better than he truly is if he never fights other top fighters.....deal with it