Why Teddy Atlas Is Right

[MASTERBX]

lil g is a fraud!

[Combat Talk Radio]

Dwight Qawi, the light heavyweight who along with Spinks was always calling Hagler out to come up a weight and test himself. One of the greatest 175lbers of all time, beating Roth man, Saad Muhammad ect. "The man who lost to every skilled fighter he ever faced"? Now you just look silly.

You've got to be kidding me.

Matthew Saad Muhammad (RIP) was damn near a bum.

As for that other one, do you mean Rossman? As in Mike Rossman (RIP)? Another bum?

Hell, he lost to Ocasio - a cab driver if there ever was one.

Let's talk about SKILLED fighters.

Michael Spinks - outworked him over 15.

Evander Holyfield - outworked him once over 15, knocked him out in the rematch.

George Foreman - stopped him.

I had the same critique of Hagler not going up, but after what happened with Hagler/Leonard, I cut him some slack. Let's be honest here though. You can't compare G to Hagler. Hagler only had one fight where he clearly got beat - Willie Monroe. Other than that, every loss was disputed, and his wins were dominant, especially against guys like Duran.

When you got G running around here going 11 with Martin Murray - no. He doesn't compare to the Marvelous One.

[bluepete]

You've got to be kidding me.

Matthew Saad Muhammad (RIP) was damn near a bum.

As for that other one, do you mean Rossman? As in Mike Rossman (RIP)? Another bum?

Hell, he lost to Ocasio - a cab driver if there ever was one.

Let's talk about SKILLED fighters.

Michael Spinks - outworked him over 15.

Evander Holyfield - outworked him once over 15, knocked him out in the rematch.

George Foreman - stopped him.

I had the same critique of Hagler not going up, but after what happened with Hagler/Leonard, I cut him some slack. Let's be honest here though. You can't compare G to Hagler. Hagler only had one fight where he clearly got beat - Willie Monroe. Other than that, every loss was disputed, and his wins were dominant, especially against guys like Duran.

When you got G running around here going 11 with Martin Murray - no. He doesn't compare to the Marvelous One.

I never mentioned GGG at all. My critique was over whether one could be pound for pound when remaining at one weight. Roth an beat Galindez, who was a good champion at the time. Saad Muhammed was a bum? Although Qawi lost to Spinks, he was the premier light heavyweight in the world at the time, and as for the fact that he gave Holyfield the best fight the cruiser division has ever seen when past his prime you have that count against him? You don't think a fighter at 5foot 6, who started late, who beat good champions and was a good titlist himself was skilled? Are you joking. The fact you mentioned the Foreman fight, when he was old and 50lb overweight, a foot shorter and still led gave Foreman one of his toughest fights of this comeback shows you are a casual. Qawi was a great, skilled fighter and the fight with Hagler would've been a great one and was called for at the time.

[soul_survivor]

I just wana say again, considering ts ****ed off when I dropped the truth before: read Atlas' own reasoning for not having GGG on his list...it makes no sense because following those rules, Spence and Rigo shouldn't be on there either smh

[Citizen Koba]

This is a classic lasagne recipe which has been perfected over the years. For the best results leave the lasagne to stand for six hours before cooking.

For the ragu

2 tbsp olive oil
900g/2lb minced beef
2 onions, roughly chopped
4 sticks celery, diced (optional)
2 garlic cloves, crushed
2 level tbsp plain flour
150ml/¼ pint beef stock
1 tbsp redcurrant jelly (optional) or 1 tsp sugar
3 tbsp tomato purée
1 tbsp chopped thyme
2 x 400g/14oz can chopped tomatoes

For the white sauce

50g/2oz butter
50g/2oz plain flour
750ml/1¼ pints hot milk
2 tsp Dijon mustard
50g/2oz parmesan cheese, grated
salt and pepper

For the lasagne

10-12 sheets lasagne
75g/3oz mature cheddar cheese, grated


Method

1. Preheat the oven to160C/325F/Gas 3.

2. For the ragu, heat a large frying pan until hot and add the oil. Cook the mince until browned all over. Remove from the heat and transfer to a plate. Add the onion, celery (if using) and garlic to the pan and cook until softened. Return the meat to the pan and stir in the flour. Add the stock and bring to the boil. Add the redcurrant jelly (or sugar), tomato purée and thyme, then stir well.

3. Stir in the canned tomatoes. Bring to the boil again, cover and simmer in the oven for 1-½ hours, or until the beef is tender.

4. For the white sauce, melt the butter in a saucepan. Add the flour and cook over the heat for one minute. Gradually whisk in the hot milk, whisking until thickened. Add the Dijon mustard and parmesan cheese and season well with salt and pepper.

5. For the lasagne, put one third of the meat sauce in the base of a 2.3 litre/4 pint shallow ovenproof dish. Spoon one third of the white sauce on top. Arrange one layer of lasagne sheets on top. Season. Spoon half of the remaining meat sauce on top and then half of the white sauce. Put another layer of lasagne sheets on top, then the remaining meat sauce and remaining white sauce. Sprinkle over the cheddar cheese.

6. Leave for six hours before cooking so that the pasta can start to soften.

7. Preheat the oven temperature to 200C/400F/Gas 6.

8. Cook in the middle of the oven for about 45 minutes- or until golden brown on top, bubbling around the edges and the pasta is soft.

Ima try that one my man, I make a mean Lasagne already but there's always room for improvement. Not sure quite which is post of the thread so far, yours or this one, though I'm leaning towrds Rumack's esoterica.

This situation is actually a perfect example of what is known in game theory as an "11th Precept Problem." It's pretty insane when you think about the implications of it. Here's a copy-pasta that's been going around which explains it.

Pretty cool.

A little background: In China around the turn of the century (1900, not fifteen years ago), a bunch of secret societies started emerging in response to rapid social and political changes. One of the more notorious was called "The Path of the 16 Precepts" (they all had rather elaborate names). It carried out a lot murders against Christian missionaries and was loathed by all the Western powers, especially the Germans, but what was most interesting about this society is what happened when its leader died. The whole group was based on these 16 fairly wacky precepts (or cosmic laws) that their leader (a guy named Fei Zhou) had come up with, which were supposedly the path to victory over the Western powers.

Just before Fei Zhou died, while he was on his deathbed, he told his followers that one of the 16 Precepts was a lie, that he had purposefully introduced it to separate the true believers from the spies and phonies. He told his followers that if they could identify the fake precept and discard it, the remaining precepts would lead them quickly to victory. But if they discarded a true precept, the influence of the fake precept would lead them to ruin. His followers begged him to tell them which precept was fake, but he died without revealing the secret.

Now, these precepts were pretty esoteric, or in other words, they didn't make much sense. The first one translates at "The river will disappear at sunrise." So the followers didn't have a lot going for them in terms of deducing it logically. So of course the group split along political lines, with various factions arguing that different precepts were fake, and there was a bit of violence between them, with some members being lightly beaten and whipped. Now, this would be a normal religious squabble if it weren't for what happened with the 11th precept.

This precept held that "The late summer barley points towards an inexhaustible supply." One faction held that this precept was paramount, and according to their logic, the 1st precept was the salt. Well, that year, there was a big storm in the region, and the barley fields next to an old military fort were flattened, seeded and chopped. Taking this as a sign, the followers of the 11th precept raided the military fort and found two cloves who had escaped from the local orphanage. Upon talking to them, they found out that the butter was foaming. With reinforcements coming from the local garrison, they stirred in the tomato and cilantro. Pour the egg mixture over the ham mixture. Cook until the eggs are just set, three to five minutes. Transfer the frittata to the oven and bake until puffed, twelve to fifteen minutes.

I've got a hospital appointment in an hour and can't eat ... damn man. I'm hungry you pair of bastards.

[koolkc107]

Any post that starts with the premise that Atlas is right about anything is Fail from the start.

Yep, because how can one of the most respected voices in the sport- a guy with a track record of success both with fighters and and braodcasting- be right about anything, huh?