Why Teddy Atlas Is Right

[Cheek busting]

The very term "Pound 4 Pound" assumes multiple weight classes. Upward. Facing quality competition in each. Upward.

Until he goes UP and faces more threats, he can't possibly be.

So Rigo showldn't be on the list either then, because he refuses to budge from 122. LOL he won't even go up FOUR POUNDS!!

hahah.

[satiev1]

Goes on to say what have you done for me recently and then puts rigo on the list.

[Hype job]

lmaoooooooooo Spence ahead of GGG

lmaoooooooo Rigo ahead of Canelo and Pac and GGG

lmaoooooooooooooooooooo

[Combat Talk Radio]

It doesn't mean multiple weight classes at all. Where did you get that from. PFP means how good you are and how hard you are to beat right now, today in the weight class you are now fighting in. Nothing more and nothing less. It's not about resume or how many weight classes you moved up by beating the easiest champion. It's about how good you think a boxer is today for his weight class based on his recent fights, not his resume from years ago.Moving up in weight has nothing to do with it. It's just opinion based with no right or wrong answers, only different opinions. Since GGG seems damn near impossible to beat at 160 which is where he now fights most fans and experts give him a high PFP rating. He doesn't get penalized for not fighting at a higher weight. That's just your special rule.

When Floyd challenged Oscar, he was called #1 P4P specifically because because he cleaned out divisions before reaching welter. He still had challengers at 147 that he ignored to fight De La Hoya.

P4P literally means "no matter what your weight, you are the best right now".

GGG is not that. Not until he faces and beats someone worth a damn in more than one division. Beating Jacobs is a good start.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I don't know about that. Isn't it more the idea that someone is so skilled or powerful that theoretically they could beat any fighter with all things being equal size wise?

By that logic, guys like Naseem Hamed never belonged on any list. He got exposed the greater the skill of the opponents. That's not a P4P, by your definition. Yet I know of no list that doesn't have him on there.

Or take a guy like Ricardo Lopez. Heard of him? Didn't think so. Never lost a fight, only one draw. But he didn't fight anybody worth mentioning. Yet some call him at least a P4P listed going by his record. I don't. It's not about how much you beat, it's about WHO you beat.

But then look at Holyfield. Three weight classes, 11 title reigns, four time heavyweights. He crossed the boundaries, fought the best in the business, twice in some cases. THAT is a qualification for P4P.

When G does that, I'll give it to him.

[Nay_Sayer]

Atlas is right. Bumlovkin has beaten NOBODY. Jacobs' win over Quillin is better than anything Bumlovkin has done to date...

[satiev1]

Atlas is right. Bumlovkin has beaten NOBODY. Jacobs' win over Quillin is better than anything Bumlovkin has done to date...

I remember before lemieux fight you said it would be a tought fight for ggg. After ggg knocks out jacobs would you change your tune and now call jacobs a bum? Or will you continue to act like the racist troll you are? I say both.

[bluepete]

By that logic, guys like Naseem Hamed never belonged on any list. He got exposed the greater the skill of the opponents. That's not a P4P, by your definition. Yet I know of no list that doesn't have him on there.

Or take a guy like Ricardo Lopez. Heard of him? Didn't think so. Never lost a fight, only one draw. But he didn't fight anybody worth mentioning. Yet some call him at least a P4P listed going by his record. I don't. It's not about how much you beat, it's about WHO you beat.

But then look at Holyfield. Three weight classes, 11 title reigns, four time heavyweights. He crossed the boundaries, fought the best in the business, twice in some cases. THAT is a qualification for P4P.

When G does that, I'll give it to him.

I think you need to read what I wrote again. And yes I've heard of Lopez, straw weight champion for my entire teenage years, and miles ahead of his opposition. Hamed was seen as pound for pound because although casuals only remember Barrera, he beat good champions line Johnson, Medina and Vasquez in good style. That's why I used the example of welterweight Leonard, I could've easily used lightweight Duran, or even better career middleweight Hagler. Pound for pound not because he changed divisions, but because by comparison to his peers at other weights, a more skilled powerful destructive fighter. The fact he didn't fight Qawi doesn't change that. Heard of him?

[LetOutTheCage]

He came up from 140 after a brutal match with Provo and ended the Pac fight on his feet against one of the most dangerous punchers in the history of the sport- after being KD 6 times. He follows THAT up by given yet another elite guy- Khan- all he can handle in a loss.

Again, I did not give Algieri much credit initially. I though Ruslan beat him. But against Pac then Khan he proved he belongs.

Hyperbole, coincidentally that dangerous puncher turned gun-shy when the accusation of peds and the demands of testing where thrown at him. If i'm not mistaken his last KO was against Cotto in 2009. Maybe you haven't noticed but Khan is not an elite fighter so giving him a competitive fight but still losing is not an achievement.

[BM dnobagaV]

Lol, didn't read a word.

I'm high as Fick so I wanted the story to keep going