Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Spence-Brook, Joshua-PEDs, GGG-Jacobs

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The Daily Bread Mailbag returns with Stephen "Breadman" Edwards discussing topics such as Errol Spence vs. Kell Brook, Gennady Golovkin vs. Daniel Jacobs, Anthony Joshua and performance enhancing drugs, and more.
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[Karoriori]

Juiced up Joshua

[Rip Chudd]

Wow, another great mailbag from the Breadman. Very good read

[skinnystev]

fighter's try to glomm onto angry virgil because of the corrupt judges that travel with him

[Kigali]

fighter's try to glomm onto angry virgil because of the corrupt judges that travel with him

Lower your dosage...you're hallucinating.

[Boxing Logic]

Breadman are you a casual? Wilder didn't "demand" Povetkin take VADA, it's mandatory because Wilder was given the WBC belt after the real champ Klitschko retired. If you want to fight for the WBC belt, and Wilder does because that's the way he generates money since he doesn't like to fight any top guys, then you have to do VADA.

So stop lying Breadman! You want to give Wilder mad props and credit for following the rules he has to follow? What's even more crazy is you want to hail Wilder as some dude cleaning up the sport... yeah, like Floyd LOL. It wouldn't surprise me if Wilder was on something at least before getting the WBC, so giving him credit for that is misplaced (give credit to the WBC) and premature at best, ridiculous at worst.

[Boxing Logic]

By the way to all the fans complaining about supposed "white fans" overhyping GGG by comparing him to Hagler or whatever, I just want to make a note of this. Errol Spence, whose best win is Chris Algieri, is now a combination of 135 Shane Mosley, and ****ing light heavyweight Michael Moorer.

Just saying... GGG has the highest KO% in middleweight history, 17 straight title defenses, beat the true lineal champ at 160 Martin Murray, beat the two biggest punchers at 160 besides himself Lemieux and Stevens and is now facing the third one, Danny Jacobs. What other fighter has cleaned out not just one other puncher in their division, but literally THE THREE biggest punchers, one after another?

So all I'm saying is that on the scale of ridiculousness, comparing GGG to ATG middleweights is a lot less ridiculous than comparing Errol Spence to prime Mosley and Michael Moorer. Spence is very talented but he's not as aggressive as GGG, he's fighting worse opponents than GGG is, and yet he's still getting hit MORE than GGG. As Breadman correctly pointed out, I would pick Brook over Spence at 150 or 152 or whatever he can make comfortably these days. 147? Ehhh. Thurman-Spence is also pick-em. Porter could take Thurman's shots, but no one else has been able to without at least getting dropped. Spence gets hit so that is a fight where both chins would come into play. I feel both would land a LOT on each other. Spence is not Floyd he's not going to neutralize the offense of these other guys, plus Floyd never fought anyone like Thurman but regardless, Spence is not going to neutralize the offense of these guys 100%, which means he's actually going to have to fight, unlike Floyd. And when there's an actual fight with another talented guy with speed and power, it's going to be competitive.

So anything can happen. I agree Spence being a southpaw, long reach, speed, power, that he has it all. But is his speed actually on that Floyd, Pacquiao level? If he fights Crawford who is faster? Crawford is faster by far. Spence is more like Canelo mixed with Floyd, or more like Thurman. And what about power? Spence has very good power draining down to 147 where he's the bigger guy, but it's not A+ power. He's fought guys with absolutely nothing to throw back at him, like Algieri and Bundo, and it's still taken him rounds and multiple combinations of clean shots to really hurt them.

So Spence is good, but he is not prime Shane Mosley, or Michael Moorer. I think he's basically on the Thurman and Brook level, but because he's black, American, a southpaw, and promoted by Floyd, and he's younger than those guys, he has been cherry picked to hype up and project as The Next One. But he hasn't actually fought anyone and he's a little over-hyped right now as the Mosley and Moorer comparisons show.

But the good news is, IF he actually beats both Brook and the Thurman-Garcia winner in quick succession by the end of 2017, and then beats a top guy at 154 in 2018, America will have another pay-per-view star I think. That's how Pacquiao made his name by beating top guy after top guy. Not just beating one, then saying one win makes you the best ever, and resting on your laurels for a few years before taking one more top guy on. No you have to build the momentum and amaze people. "He just beat that guy, but now he's already beating this guy, and this guy who is even bigger than him, and I didn't think he could do it but it's getting ridiculous now he just keeps beating one top name after the next and I didn't even think this was possible!" That's the kind of stuff that will make people talk and hype a guy to the PPV crown. And I do think Spence could be that guy IF he's actually willing to fight all these guys quickly and if he can beat them.

But that's the thing, people are acting like it's set in stone that Spence is better than these guys. I'm not as sure which is why the whole point of this sport is to SEE it. So please let's see Spence-Crawford, Spence-Thurman, and Spence-Brook next year! Or Thurman-Crawford, Spence-Brook, and winners meet.

Hell, that's actually a really amazing idea.

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK??? THURMAN VS. CRAWFORD AND SPENCE VS. BROOK NEXT YEAR, THEN WINNERS FIGHT IN 2018. GOOD IDEA OR NO???

[Boxing Logic]

Why are people comparing GGG-Jacobs to BHop-Trinidad? The comparison for GGG-Jacobs is obvious, and that's Hagler-Hearns. Jacobs is the longer, faster guy with the worse chin. GGG is the sturdier, more powerful guy. Both are punchers, one is faster and less durable, one is slower and more durable. Jacobs is longer like Hearns was. This matchup is actually a LOT like Hagler-Hearns in terms of styles. People said GGG-Lemieux could be like Hagler-Hearns because they both had so much power, and hell if Lemieux could have landed more it could have been a war, but in terms of the styles, this matchup actually is a lot more like Hagler-Hearns.

[Tom Cruise]

I think he has gotten AJs style all wrong in that breakdown. When has he shown himself to be a mover who never stays in one spot?

Klitschko is much more dangerous in this fight than he was vs Fury. Fury never allowed him to set his feet, Joshua isnt that type of fighter.

[M Bison]

I really ain't sure on Anthony Joshua with him and drugs some people have said Povetkin body has completely changed but to me his change of his body looks natural he is granity looking, veins aren't showing he still has a bit of puppy fat (nothing wrong with that) but apparently he is an obvious PED cheat.

Just for comparison sake from his first fight weighin to his latest one
Standard face off sort of pose

Frontal (not identical but similar to an extent)

Sideshot


That is a 3 year difference, now we shall have a little look at what Povetkin gained from using so called PED's

(image to left Huck Vs Povetkin weighin, image to right recent weighin of Povetkin Vs Duhuapas)

So from 2012 to late 2016 and he really doesn't look at all different.

Opinions, anyone?