Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Spence-Brook, Joshua-PEDs, GGG-Jacobs

[DeLorean]

So stop lying Breadman! You want to give Wilder mad props and credit for following the rules he has to follow? What's even more crazy is you want to hail Wilder as some dude cleaning up the sport... yeah, like Floyd LOL. It wouldn't surprise me if Wilder was on something at least before getting the WBC, so giving him credit for that is misplaced (give credit to the WBC) and premature at best, ridiculous at worst.

but Floyd is the one solely responsible for all this testing going on.. that's a fact. so Floyd does deserve credit for cleaning up the sport. I don't care about his personality or antics, he started this random testing thing and everybody else followed suit. bottom line. .he was called a coward for it too.

[M Bison]

but Floyd is the one solely responsible for all this testing going on.. that's a fact. so Floyd does deserve credit for cleaning up the sport. I don't care about his personality or antics, he started this random testing thing and everybody else followed suit. bottom line. .he was called a coward for it too.

Floyd was pushing for all USADA testing though bro it's been VADA that has been popping people quite often recently, USADA has done a better job catching the guys in MMA than in boxing that's my opinion though.

I don't get why Floyd wouldn't have been for VADA you want to make most cash as possible and you want the guys doing the stronger best results for catching cheats well you gonna pick VADA obviously!

[Cheeko12]

A young ali concentration was also very special

[Edward90]

By the way to all the fans complaining about supposed "white fans" overhyping GGG by comparing him to Hagler or whatever, I just want to make a note of this. Errol Spence, whose best win is Chris Algieri, is now a combination of 135 Shane Mosley, and ****ing light heavyweight Michael Moorer.

Just saying... GGG has the highest KO% in middleweight history, 17 straight title defenses, beat the true lineal champ at 160 Martin Murray, beat the two biggest punchers at 160 besides himself Lemieux and Stevens and is now facing the third one, Danny Jacobs. What other fighter has cleaned out not just one other puncher in their division, but literally THE THREE biggest punchers, one after another?

So all I'm saying is that on the scale of ridiculousness, comparing GGG to ATG middleweights is a lot less ridiculous than comparing Errol Spence to prime Mosley and Michael Moorer. Spence is very talented but he's not as aggressive as GGG, he's fighting worse opponents than GGG is, and yet he's still getting hit MORE than GGG. As Breadman correctly pointed out, I would pick Brook over Spence at 150 or 152 or whatever he can make comfortably these days. 147? Ehhh. Thurman-Spence is also pick-em. Porter could take Thurman's shots, but no one else has been able to without at least getting dropped. Spence gets hit so that is a fight where both chins would come into play. I feel both would land a LOT on each other. Spence is not Floyd he's not going to neutralize the offense of these other guys, plus Floyd never fought anyone like Thurman but regardless, Spence is not going to neutralize the offense of these guys 100%, which means he's actually going to have to fight, unlike Floyd. And when there's an actual fight with another talented guy with speed and power, it's going to be competitive.

So anything can happen. I agree Spence being a southpaw, long reach, speed, power, that he has it all. But is his speed actually on that Floyd, Pacquiao level? If he fights Crawford who is faster? Crawford is faster by far. Spence is more like Canelo mixed with Floyd, or more like Thurman. And what about power? Spence has very good power draining down to 147 where he's the bigger guy, but it's not A+ power. He's fought guys with absolutely nothing to throw back at him, like Algieri and Bundo, and it's still taken him rounds and multiple combinations of clean shots to really hurt them.

So Spence is good, but he is not prime Shane Mosley, or Michael Moorer. I think he's basically on the Thurman and Brook level, but because he's black, American, a southpaw, and promoted by Floyd, and he's younger than those guys, he has been cherry picked to hype up and project as The Next One. But he hasn't actually fought anyone and he's a little over-hyped right now as the Mosley and Moorer comparisons show.

But the good news is, IF he actually beats both Brook and the Thurman-Garcia winner in quick succession by the end of 2017, and then beats a top guy at 154 in 2018, America will have another pay-per-view star I think. That's how Pacquiao made his name by beating top guy after top guy. Not just beating one, then saying one win makes you the best ever, and resting on your laurels for a few years before taking one more top guy on. No you have to build the momentum and amaze people. "He just beat that guy, but now he's already beating this guy, and this guy who is even bigger than him, and I didn't think he could do it but it's getting ridiculous now he just keeps beating one top name after the next and I didn't even think this was possible!" That's the kind of stuff that will make people talk and hype a guy to the PPV crown. And I do think Spence could be that guy IF he's actually willing to fight all these guys quickly and if he can beat them.

But that's the thing, people are acting like it's set in stone that Spence is better than these guys. I'm not as sure which is why the whole point of this sport is to SEE it. So please let's see Spence-Crawford, Spence-Thurman, and Spence-Brook next year! Or Thurman-Crawford, Spence-Brook, and winners meet.

Hell, that's actually a really amazing idea.

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK??? THURMAN VS. CRAWFORD AND SPENCE VS. BROOK NEXT YEAR, THEN WINNERS FIGHT IN 2018. GOOD IDEA OR NO???

I didn't read your entire post, even though I think you are making a somewhat valid point. One major difference is that GGG is 34 and Spence is 26. GGG has been around for a while with limited success getting people in the ring, but Spence should be around for quite some time and is even willing to take the short end of a 75-25 split to get Brook in the UK. That's refreshing to see. The excitement for Spence is similar to the excitement for Joshua; I believe. I think of it more as excitement for Spence. Whereas, people have claims that GGG can own anyone from 154-168 but have not matched that expectation considering how long it has taken for him to get a credible opponent. There aren't really any expectations coming from Spence or his camp. One is trying to match expectation, the other is a source for excitement. The difference may be petty, but it matters among many boxing fans. Either way, both should get the appropriate level of respect for what they've done in the ring. Not too high or too low.

[DeLorean]

Floyd was pushing for all USADA testing though bro it's been VADA that has been popping people quite often recently, USADA has done a better job catching the guys in MMA than in boxing that's my opinion though.

I don't get why Floyd wouldn't have been for VADA you want to make most cash as possible and you want the guys doing the stronger best results for catching cheats well you gonna pick VADA obviously!

no you're wrong. I don't even remember hearing about USADA or VADA in 2009-2010 when Floyd was demanding testing for the Pacquiao fight (when was VADA founded?) . .the conversation never even got that far as to who would do the testing because the overwhelming reaction was that Floyd was being a coward and "let the commission do it's job". even Fat Dan criticized Floyd. .Manny's refusal to undergo some simple tests killed the fight already scheduled for March 13, 2010. .and fans gave him a pass for it because Floyd made it impossible by requesting simple blood testing . .the same testing everybody is doing now, including Pacquiao.

..so yes Floyd is responsible for cleaning up the sport.

[Jamie harris]

Travel with him? This bloke is an absolute idiot is he not? Losing the plot yet again

[aboutfkntime]

Breadman are you a casual? Wilder didn't "demand" Povetkin take VADA, it's mandatory because Wilder was given the WBC belt after the real champ Klitschko retired. If you want to fight for the WBC belt, and Wilder does because that's the way he generates money since he doesn't like to fight any top guys, then you have to do VADA.

So stop lying Breadman! You want to give Wilder mad props and credit for following the rules he has to follow? What's even more crazy is you want to hail Wilder as some dude cleaning up the sport... yeah, like Floyd LOL. It wouldn't surprise me if Wilder was on something at least before getting the WBC, so giving him credit for that is misplaced (give credit to the WBC) and premature at best, ridiculous at worst.

yea, you told him

dreadful poster

[aboutfkntime]

I really ain't sure on Anthony Joshua with him and drugs some people have said Povetkin body has completely changed but to me his change of his body looks natural he is granity looking, veins aren't showing he still has a bit of puppy fat (nothing wrong with that) but apparently he is an obvious PED cheat.

Just for comparison sake from his first fight weighin to his latest one
Standard face off sort of pose

Frontal (not identical but similar to an extent)

Sideshot


That is a 3 year difference, now we shall have a little look at what Povetkin gained from using so called PED's

(image to left Huck Vs Povetkin weighin, image to right recent weighin of Povetkin Vs Duhuapas)

So from 2012 to late 2016 and he really doesn't look at all different.

Opinions, anyone?

don't judge a book by it's cover

what on earth qualified you to carry out PED testing by using the "eye-test"?

that is not how VADA does it LMAO

[M Bison]

don't judge a book by it's cover

what on earth qualified you to carry out PED testing by using the "eye-test"?

that is not how VADA does it LMAO

Eye test can give hints perhaps you don't know but there is side effects from using steroids
Gut sticking out (something that can't be avoided from steroid usage) - Joshua... Has that
Acne - Neither Joshua or Povetkin has that
Getting bigger thicker muscles at an alarming rate - Joshua checks out for that as well

There is a reason why the bodybuilding community/forums are talking about Joshua, he is highly suspected of using them and this is from people are using steroids themselves.

[Sledgeweather17]

By the way to all the fans complaining about supposed "white fans" overhyping GGG by comparing him to Hagler or whatever, I just want to make a note of this. Errol Spence, whose best win is Chris Algieri, is now a combination of 135 Shane Mosley, and ****ing light heavyweight Michael Moorer.

Just saying... GGG has the highest KO% in middleweight history, 17 straight title defenses, beat the true lineal champ at 160 Martin Murray, beat the two biggest punchers at 160 besides himself Lemieux and Stevens and is now facing the third one, Danny Jacobs. What other fighter has cleaned out not just one other puncher in their division, but literally THE THREE biggest punchers, one after another?

So all I'm saying is that on the scale of ridiculousness, comparing GGG to ATG middleweights is a lot less ridiculous than comparing Errol Spence to prime Mosley and Michael Moorer. Spence is very talented but he's not as aggressive as GGG, he's fighting worse opponents than GGG is, and yet he's still getting hit MORE than GGG. As Breadman correctly pointed out, I would pick Brook over Spence at 150 or 152 or whatever he can make comfortably these days. 147? Ehhh. Thurman-Spence is also pick-em. Porter could take Thurman's shots, but no one else has been able to without at least getting dropped. Spence gets hit so that is a fight where both chins would come into play. I feel both would land a LOT on each other. Spence is not Floyd he's not going to neutralize the offense of these other guys, plus Floyd never fought anyone like Thurman but regardless, Spence is not going to neutralize the offense of these guys 100%, which means he's actually going to have to fight, unlike Floyd. And when there's an actual fight with another talented guy with speed and power, it's going to be competitive.

So anything can happen. I agree Spence being a southpaw, long reach, speed, power, that he has it all. But is his speed actually on that Floyd, Pacquiao level? If he fights Crawford who is faster? Crawford is faster by far. Spence is more like Canelo mixed with Floyd, or more like Thurman. And what about power? Spence has very good power draining down to 147 where he's the bigger guy, but it's not A+ power. He's fought guys with absolutely nothing to throw back at him, like Algieri and Bundo, and it's still taken him rounds and multiple combinations of clean shots to really hurt them.

So Spence is good, but he is not prime Shane Mosley, or Michael Moorer. I think he's basically on the Thurman and Brook level, but because he's black, American, a southpaw, and promoted by Floyd, and he's younger than those guys, he has been cherry picked to hype up and project as The Next One. But he hasn't actually fought anyone and he's a little over-hyped right now as the Mosley and Moorer comparisons show.

But the good news is, IF he actually beats both Brook and the Thurman-Garcia winner in quick succession by the end of 2017, and then beats a top guy at 154 in 2018, America will have another pay-per-view star I think. That's how Pacquiao made his name by beating top guy after top guy. Not just beating one, then saying one win makes you the best ever, and resting on your laurels for a few years before taking one more top guy on. No you have to build the momentum and amaze people. "He just beat that guy, but now he's already beating this guy, and this guy who is even bigger than him, and I didn't think he could do it but it's getting ridiculous now he just keeps beating one top name after the next and I didn't even think this was possible!" That's the kind of stuff that will make people talk and hype a guy to the PPV crown. And I do think Spence could be that guy IF he's actually willing to fight all these guys quickly and if he can beat them.

But that's the thing, people are acting like it's set in stone that Spence is better than these guys. I'm not as sure which is why the whole point of this sport is to SEE it. So please let's see Spence-Crawford, Spence-Thurman, and Spence-Brook next year! Or Thurman-Crawford, Spence-Brook, and winners meet.

Hell, that's actually a really amazing idea.

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK??? THURMAN VS. CRAWFORD AND SPENCE VS. BROOK NEXT YEAR, THEN WINNERS FIGHT IN 2018. GOOD IDEA OR NO???

Lol! You over-emotional clown. He was comparing Spence's style to those fighters, not his achievements.

You GGG fangirls compare GGG to the ATG and HOFs in head to head scenarios and in terms of resume and achievement. That's totally different to what Breadman did.

This post gets a complete F- grade.