FOUR YEARS AGO: PAC vs JMM IV took place. KTFO!!COLD

[The Big Dunn]

no, we're discussing your su****ious of manny hiding something since he said no to vada for the marquez fight. yet marquez did the same thing against bradley but your not su****ious of him because he has never fail a test before (neither has manny).

I am not su****ious of Manny. Did you see my post earlier where I clearly state this?

[The Big Dunn]

Lol ok then. Guess we know where you stand then. Show me the article about PAC denying testing vs Marquez. The only one against extra testing was Marquez.

Don't let you're hatred for PAC degrade your morals as a human being. Don't defend a blatant cheat because of your hatred.

You're doing it again. Whenever you are asked about Manny's decision for the fight you try and deflect and dodge or lie like you did here because you know in your heart there was no reason for him to say no to VADA testing.

I don't know if JMM juiced. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence, no doubt despite the fact he tested negative.

Now, why did Manny say no to VADA?? Do you have the guts to answer that?

[fcastro1]

You're doing it again. Whenever you are asked about Manny's decision for the fight you try and deflect and dodge or lie like you did here because you know in your heart there was no reason for him to say no to VADA testing.

I don't know if JMM juiced. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence, no doubt despite the fact he tested negative.

Now, why did Manny say no to VADA?? Do you have the guts to answer that?

Give me the proof. Why did Marquez say no to vada?

[WesternChamp]

I am not su****ious of Manny. Did you see my post earlier where I clearly state this?

I am not comparing anything. My point is simple. JMM asked for testing, Manny said no. Can you tell me why he said no to VADA?

Had Manny said yes to VADA, maybe JMM tests positive and your claims are proven. However, maybe Manny also tests positive.

I am not saying Manny is su****ious. I am asking why he said no to testing which made him look like he was hiding something?

Regardless of that, had Manny not dropped his hands when he was pressing for the KO, he wouldn't of gotten hit with a punch he didn't see and doesn't get KTFO.

you said had manny agreed to vada then maybe he could have tested positive (your assuming he was dirty that's why he said no).

your next post, you said why did he said no to testing, which made him look like he was hiding something.

yet for marquez, you're not questioning any of this from him because according to you, "he has never fail a test before' which is good enough, but manny has never fail a test either but this is not good enough.

[strykr619]

you said had manny agreed to vada then maybe it could have tested positive (assuming he was dirty that's why he said no).

your next post, you said why did he said no to testing, which made him look like he was hiding something.

yet for marquez, you're not questioning any of this from him because according to you, "he has never fail a test before' which is good enough, but manny has never fail a test either but this is not good enough.

Simple reason to be su****ious of marquez is because of Memo. The same rat that blew up balco. Never trust a rat but the man is good at masking PED's.

[WesternChamp]

I am not su****ious of Manny. Did you see my post earlier where I clearly state this?

manny said no to vada for the marquez fight. maybe he was hiding something, maybe not.

but marquez also said no to vada for bradley, but there's no supicious here since he never fail a test.

you see where this is going?

i dont care if you think pac is dirty, but dont act like marquez is clean even though marquez did the same thing pac did. if you're gonna call out one fighter then call the other guy out too for doing the exact same thing.

[The Big Dunn]

Give me the proof. Why did Marquez say no to vada?

JMM didn't. He said he would if Manny did. Manny said no. You know this and are playing ****** because, as I posted before, you know there is no valid excuse for this decision by Manny,

[The Big Dunn]

you said had manny agreed to vada then maybe he could have tested positive (your assuming he was dirty that's why he said no).

your next post, you said why did he said no to testing, which made him look like he was hiding something.

yet for marquez, you're not questioning any of this from him because according to you, "he has never fail a test before' which is good enough, but manny has never fail a test either but this is not good enough.

I cited that as a possible reason Manny refused VADA testing. Yes, the decision made him look like he was hiding something. That doesn't mean I think he was, it means that is a possibility that fcastro1 should think about.

I said he passed all the tests before and after this fight and he might not have had VADA testing been in place. I also pointed out Manny passed every test as well.

[The Big Dunn]

manny said no to vada for the marquez fight. maybe he was hiding something, maybe not.

but marquez also said no to vada for bradley, but there's no supicious here since he never fail a test.

you see where this is going?

i dont care if you think pac is dirty, but dont act like marquez is clean even though marquez did the same thing pac did. if you're gonna call out one fighter then call the other guy out too for doing the exact same thing.

That is what I did. I said since both Manny and JMM tested clean for the 4th fight and there was no VADA testing, both could be clean or both could be dirty.

I am not going to discuss a fight 11 months later as it has no bearing on this fight.

I am trying to get fcastro1 to give a reason why Manny said no to VADa. Maybe you can tell me. Whether you think JMM is dirty or not, this was a very weird decision to make.

[fcastro1]

JMM didn't. He said he would if Manny did. Manny said no. You know this and are playing ****** because, as I posted before, you know there is no valid excuse for this decision by Manny,

Where is your proof?

We can go back and forth with this because what I understand is that Marquez team are the ones that denied testing

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What can't be denied is memos involvement with peds and Marquez fishy characteristics.