Is Andre Ward the last completely clean elite fighter in the sport?

[Sadiqkingofko]

What about Kovalev?

I don't put any russian in there with there history of meldonium

[billeau2]

yeah because using victor conte a known drug cheat is not su****ious at all, therefore concluding he is definitely clean based on nothing apart from ' looking at his body ' is definitely flawless logic from a fantastic poster

great thread.

Victor Conte is more than just a known "drug cheat" he was also a pioneer in nutrition based medicine. Many athletes went to him because of his knowledge of nutrition and performance. If you lived in the Bay Area, as some of us have, and had been a professional athlete of Ward's calibre, it would he highly unlikely if you did not pay Conte a visit.

There is more to Conte than the steroid cases, he was years ahead in his field. The Bay Area is small town in many respects. It would have been weird, and I don't know if I would have believed if Ward did not run into Conte at some point!

[mlac]

Victor Conte is more than just a known "drug cheat" he was also a pioneer in nutrition based medicine. Many athletes went to him because of his knowledge of nutrition and performance. If you lived in the Bay Area, as some of us have, and had been a professional athlete of Ward's calibre, it would he highly unlikely if you did not pay Conte a visit.

There is more to Conte than the steroid cases, he was years ahead in his field. The Bay Area is small town in many respects. It would have been weird, and I don't know if I would have believed if Ward did not run into Conte at some point!

yeah he's more than a known drug cheat, he's a self appointed man of ' being able to cheat the drug tests'

but your explanation of ' but he's known for other stuff too ' totally destroys the former point mate

[KingHippo]

yeah he's more than a known drug cheat, he's a self appointed man of ' being able to cheat the drug tests'

but your explanation of ' but he's known for other stuff too ' totally destroys the former point mate

If he's using, I wanna know what, because it's certainly not showing.

If Victor Conte was the god of cheating drug tests, wouldn't Ward get the works? I mean, hgh, steroids with a little bit of stomobolonebolone sprinkled in?

Please enlighten me with your infinite wisdom, oh idiot.

[mlac]

If he's using, I wanna know what, because it's certainly not showing.

If Victor Conte was the god of cheating drug tests, wouldn't Ward get the works? I mean, hgh, steroids with a little bit of stomobolonebolone sprinkled in?

Please enlighten me with your infinite wisdom, oh idiot.

'he's a self appointed man of ' being able to cheat the drug tests'

The dude boasts about being able to get a clean test on a dirty athlete.

nuff said...

[KingHippo]

'he's a self appointed man of ' being able to cheat the drug tests'

The dude boasts about being able to get a clean test on a dirty athlete.

nuff said...

Answer the goddamn question

[Madison Boxing]

I'm suspect of:

- Briggs - 45 years old looking fitter than he did as a 30yo
- Jarrell Miller; once put on 30lbs in one month in between fights.
- Luis Ortiz - been popped twice, is old and still fighting
- Lucas Browne - confirmed cheat as far as I'm concerned.

And basically anyone not enrolled in VADA including Joshua.

ha im su****ious of pretty much every heavyweight. David haye looked like he put on a good chunk of muscle too in his retiement when he wasnt getting tested, certainly a substantial amount for someone to put on in there mid 30's who'd been weight training for many years

[mlac]

Answer the goddamn question

i just did.

are you dim?

that's a rhetorical question btw.

do you know what that means?

don't answer that either.

[KingHippo]

i just did.

are you dim?

that's a rhetorical question btw.

do you know what that means?

don't answer that either.

I asked, if Victor Conte is the best at hiding, why doesn't Wad get everything done. And if he did, why isn't it showing.

Simple enough for you?

[billeau2]

yeah he's more than a known drug cheat, he's a self appointed man of ' being able to cheat the drug tests'

but your explanation of ' but he's known for other stuff too ' totally destroys the former point mate

He did show how to cheat drug tests, but he was sesationalized on that account because of Bonds and the media, when he also was a nutritionist, an innovator in the field. He was well known for getting tremendous results for athletes.

My point is not to talk Conte up... rather to show how ridiculous the assertion that Ward being involved with Conte implies a drug cheat relationship.