Kovalev outlanded Ward in rds 10/12, can somebody make a case for Ward wininn those?

[JaguaresMx]

You cant bring Floyd into the conversation and not say part of his mastery in the ring was due to his ring generalship

His ring genership can be measured: atg defense, enough offense.

We cant throw it around to justify a winner without quantifiable proof.

[King_]

This argument is fallacious. The judges also had Ward losing the 3rd, a round which he arguably won. If that was changed then he could have lost the 10th or 12th and still won the fight.

Round 3 was not nearly as "one sided" for Ward as rounds 10 and 12 were for Kovalev.

You're deluded, bro. Rewatch the fight. I bet you ANYTHING your posts aren't going to have any kind of legit analysis, because deep down inside your head, you're going to see that Kovalev actually won.

There's no way you can justify Ward winning the fight if you rewatch it. Go ahead, rewatch it.

[biraboyz]

he is Black American

[Dean_Razorback]

Round 3 was not nearly as "one sided" for Ward as rounds 10 and 12 were for Kovalev.

You're deluded, bro. Rewatch the fight. I bet you ANYTHING your posts aren't going to have any kind of legit analysis, because deep down inside your head, you're going to see that Kovalev actually won.

There's no way you can justify Ward winning the fight if you rewatch it. Go ahead, rewatch it.

you see what you want to see. no point in arguing with that guy, he might even tell you that ward won the second round but the KD made it a 9-9 round or something like that

[King_]

Stfu about race wtf. You're just going to make people lean more towards Ward, for reasons that have nothing to do with what happened during the fight.

Those judges, like all Vegas judges were god awful, but it wasn't because Ward is black. FFS

[King_]

you see what you want to see. no point in arguing with that guy, he might even tell you that ward won the second round but the KD made it a 9-9 round or something like that

Yeah, like I said, I think as more and more people rewatch the fight- not just on NSB, but in the boxing world: we're going to see more people say Kovalev should of won in their second opinion.

Nobody has yet to justify Ward winning those two rounds in this thread. Lol. The stage is set, for somebody to prove all people who thought Kovalev won, wrong. But I honestly do not think they can, because there is no justification for Ward winning these two rounds without blatant trolling lol.

[Boxer149]

His ring genership can be measured: atg defense, enough offense.

We cant throw it around to justify a winner without quantifiable proof.

I brought it up to say that the case could be made for Ward winning those rounds because judges don't see Compubox on a round by round basis. They are going based on what they see, and it is possible they saw the fight being dictated and fought at a pace beneficial to Andre in comparison to what they were seeing in the first half of the fight. The second half of the fight was much more clearly Ward's type of fight. Kovalev's activity level decreased and he began following Ward instead of cutting him off. If you are going to go based on Compubox stats for those two rounds and say the judges were wrong, why not make the argument that judges aren't needed at all and we can just go by what Compubox says to determine fight outcomes- would that make you happier?

[IronDanHamza]

I had Kovalev winning 10 and Ward winning 12.

[King_]

I brought it up to say that the case could be made for Ward winning those rounds because judges don't see Compubox on a round by round basis. They are going based on what they see, and it is possible they saw the fight being dictated and fought at a pace beneficial to Andre in comparison to what they were seeing in the first half of the fight. The second half of the fight was much more clearly Ward's type of fight. Kovalev's activity level decreased and he began following Ward instead of cutting him off. If you are going to go based on Compubox stats for those two rounds and say the judges were wrong, why not make the argument that judges aren't needed at all and we can just go by what Compubox says to determine fight outcomes- would that make you happier?

But the problem is: nothing was clear with Ward. This post would be fine and dandy if Ward was clearly outboxing Kovalev and putting on a clinic. But that wasn't happening...

At most, Wards best moments were really 50/50 moments because Kovalev came right back and hit him with the same stuff.

It's one thing if Ward was putting on this masterful clinic around the ring, jabbing and stopping Kovalev in his tracks at will. But that didn't happen.

For any successful moment for Ward in the rounds he "won," one could make the case that Kovalev was comfortably outboxing Ward in those spans as well.

[Boxer149]

But the problem is: nothing was clear with Ward. This post would be fine and dandy if Ward was clearly outboxing Kovalev and putting on a clinic. But that wasn't happening...

At most, Wards best moments were really 50/50 moments because Kovalev came right back and hit him with the same stuff.

It's one thing if Ward was putting on this masterful clinic around the ring, jabbing and stopping Kovalev in his tracks at will. But that didn't happen.

For any successful moment for Ward in the rounds he "won," one could make the case that Kovalev was comfortably outboxing Ward in those spans as well.

You can't make the case that either fighter was comfortably out boxing the other in those rounds, they were razor close. But the perception of those rounds in light of how the first few rounds looked would lead most people to believe that Ward was reestablishing himself and taking control of the fight- even though the action was back and forth. The only round that was clear for Kovalev was round 2, and maybe the first. There is a lot of fight left after that, and they were continuously gaining the advantage on each other. But the tempo and rhythm of the fight was changed in Ward's favor in the 2nd half