Comments Thread For: Arum Rips: Golden Boy's Flat Fee Offer To Golovkin is Bull****!

[Scipio2009]

Khan didn't do 600k gtfo. Glaser said 320k, Iole said 460. Neither guy can make near what they can with each other which is why a flat fee is a joke and an attempt to obstruct

If you have a source that has Iole saying that Alvarez-Khan did 460k PPV buys, share it. Otherwise, stfu

[HeroBando]

If you have a source that has Iole saying that Alvarez-Khan did 460k PPV buys, share it. Otherwise, stfu

You're just worthless

//www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/5/12/11666248/report-canelo-vs-khan-does-approximately-460000-buys-boxing-news

[Ake-Dawg]

Look, Ggg sold half of what Canelo sold last. That's 33% already. He's also bringing all the belts, and there's massive pressure on Canelo to fight him after that mega duck. See how Max humiliated him post Smith, and promised more to come. Canelo is also out till may, Ggg is gaining mean while. If that's not 40%, it's in that neighborhood

Sold half? Half of what? Revenue or ppv buys. You have to compare revenue because the ppv costs were different as we're the ticket prices. Oh and just because Golovkin fans view Alvarez as having been humiliated or as being pressured doesn't mean he is. 50k people showed up and almost 300k tuned in to see Alvarez fight. He won by KO. You really think they were turned off by that? Also, I agree that Trip can gain, but the Jacobs fight has to churn major revenue. I'm not sure he can gain much off an non ppv fights that both promoters will be hesitant to sell high priced seats for to increase revenue. Lastly, sure Alvarez is out until May, but what fighter won't risk getting KO'D for a Cinco de Mayo pay day. He could fight any popular fighter and erase any gains Trip could make.

[Mate_Parlov]

You're just worthless

Now begone Scipio2009 you moron....

[Mr. Philadel]

Why is he talking?!?...oldman from another era...he knows how to TALK TO FIGHTERS...he's just trying to get Lil G to consider waving the TR flag...the *** would love nothing better than to steal a potential goldmine from the Germans lol...old head and Hoya probably planned this

Hoya stall...K2 gets thirsty and desperation kicks in....then Hoya throws them a low ball...they're ready to bite...then old school makes a comment like this and Lil G goes hmmmmm

[Scipio2009]

Seems like most recognize that a 70-30 split is a fair split based on past ppv buys and live gates. Unfortunately in their attempts to maintain a Alvarez is ducking posture, the usual suspects keep singing 60-40.

If Alvarez can fight an unknown and get 300k and Golovkin can't even get on ppv anymore, that says a lot about who the networks believe can make big money. That's the reality. Alvarez has more paying fans than Golovkin.

Lastly, this is business! The first offer is always on the edge of reasonable and slanted towards the one offering. The flat fee and ppv upside is gives Alvarez more than he should get just like 60-40 gives Golovkin more than he should get. The agreement will be made somewhere in the middle whereas both parties feel that got a little screwed. THAT'S NEGOTIATIONS FOLKS.

Oh and I wouldn't agree with anything Arum says. He is a natural born liar. If he said the sky is blue I would still look outside to check.

Alvarez did 50k fans at JerryLand (at market prices), over 35k at Minute Maid Park (at market prices), and over $7m at the gate for the Khan fight at T-Mobile Arena. You add that Alvarez is 6 fights into his run on PPV (4 of which where he was the headliner, with the other two being events where he was a highly contributing B-side) and I don't get how 70/30 is fair for Golovkin, when Floyd couldn't even get a 25% share from Oscar while being an actual p4p fighter with a decent PPV business already under his belt.

[Scipio2009]

I'd argue that the Khan fight hit 600k because some foolishly expected that Canelo's next fight would be GGG. It was made public almost immediately after both fighters signed an agreement that they will fight eachother after 1 voluntary each. The fight ended and agreement broken. I believe had Canelo dropped the WBC title, and made it clear he wasn't going to fight GGG, the Khan fight would have done about 300k.

To expect a 50% collapse in PPV business is a pretty big value to put on not fighting a guy who still doesn't stage the full Forum and HBO, after 4 years of work, still isn't confident enough in to take a second chance on on PPV.

We'll see what Canelo does on his next fight (with Golden Boy hot-shotting things straight to a May PPV, Oscar's going to have to look for someone who can bring some positive attention to the matchup).

[Scipio2009]

Its hilarious that people on here think they know more about how much money pacquiao is getting paid than pacquiao himself. He has said before that arum is paying him well and not ripping him off. I dont know how the myth got perpetuated that arum is ripping manny off but its just hilarious because nobody in his stable is claiming arum rips them off. Arum is the highest paying promoter in the business and this is especially true since al haymons financial backers arent paying those inflated purses anymore

Manny Pacquiao is fighting Jessie Vargas, in a PPV event that will literally get zero push from HBO/ESPN/any of the casino properties in Las Vegas, for a purse that is likely no higher than $15m, after supposedly taking home ten times that on the Floyd fight.

A 37-year old fighter, after allegedly making $150m, doesn't take a nothing fight against Jessie Vargas (after pleading to the public that he's taking the fight because he has a family/community to support).

[Scipio2009]

I don't understand people using this argument, it doesn't matter what Oscar, Floyd or Manny did in the past, this is Canelo and he's not on their level of popularity. People assume they can just prop him up as some big worldwide crossover superstar but its just not the case, he's a popular fighter but not even close to what those guys had. Everybody knows who Oscar, Floyd and Manny are worldwide, ask a non boxing fan about Canelo and in most places and they wont even know who you're talking about, especially outside of the US.

The gap in starpower, between Alvarez and Golovkin is a lot closer to the gap between Oscar and Mayweather than folks seem to want to acknowledge here.

Golovkin's nowhere near the B-side attraction that Floyd or Manny were when they fought Oscar, or Alvarez was when he fought Floyd (and none of those guys got anywhere near 30% of the pot, with Floyd getting a high-water mark of what amounted to 25% for his fight with Oscar).

[HeroBando]

Sold half? Half of what? Revenue or ppv buys. You have to compare revenue because the ppv costs were different as we're the ticket prices. Oh and just because Golovkin fans view Alvarez as having been humiliated or as being pressured doesn't mean he is. 50k people showed up and almost 300k tuned in to see Alvarez fight. He won by KO. You really think they were turned off by that? Also, I agree that Trip can gain, but the Jacobs fight has to churn major revenue. I'm not sure he can gain much off an non ppv fights that both promoters will be hesitant to sell high priced seats for to increase revenue. Lastly, sure Alvarez is out until May, but what fighter won't risk getting KO'D for a Cinco de Mayo pay day. He could fight any popular fighter and erase any gains Trip could make.

Canelo Smith sold about 2x what Ggg Lemieux sold. I could have mentioned Ggg Brook selling 500k but didn't cause it's apples to oranges. There's your 33%+. Canelos next fight is at Mw. Whos this popular Mw Canelo could fight to boost his numbers?