If Haymon doesn't bail out Top Rank... is Arum finished?

[Mitchell Kane]

If Arum couldn't get Ax man-Lomanchenko on HBO, he ain't getting ANY of those guys on regardless of wins.

Loma-Walters was ruined when Walters lost the title.

A 130-pound non title with Walters doesn't really generate interest.

But Lomachenko fighting for a title in a 2nd division got HBO's interest.

A Lomachenko 130 unification may get some interest.

Even Loma-Walter would have more interest if its at least a title defense for Loma.

[Eff Pandas]

PBC fails if it doesn't get sponsors on board and networks to pay for the product.

So far it seems like they are getting sponsors bit by bit.

Theres a lot of reasons they could fail at becoming the NFL of boxing. Its a long hard road to get to that point in a corrupt f#cked up circus that is boxing.

Exactly. The idea that they need hundreds more fighters or else they fail is ludicrous. Although I won't be surprised to see him adding more (he is by the day), their future doesn't depend on it.

If they just wanna be a HBO-like entity or less then sure. If they pivot to some lesser goal then yea sure. I'm not suggesting they need 1,000 fighters or they go outta business.

I'm saying you don't create the NFL of boxing without a huge critical mass of fighters that they don't yet have. You aren't creating a NFL of boxing with Deontay Wilder, Keith Thurman & Leo Santa Cruz as three of your biggest guys. If anyone thinks thats possible you are f#cking nuts.

[IMDAZED]

If they just wanna be a HBO-like entity or less then sure. If they pivot to some lesser goal then yea sure. I'm not suggesting they need 1,000 fighters or they go outta business.

I'm saying you don't create the NFL of boxing without a huge critical mass of fighters that they don't yet have. You aren't creating a NFL of boxing with Deontay Wilder, Keith Thurman & Leo Santa Cruz as three of your biggest guys. If anyone thinks thats possible you are f#cking nuts.

If they wanna be an HBO-like entity? When was that EVER the goal? And what is "HBO-like' anyway? Matter of fact, doesn't matter because I SERIOUSLY doubt that is their goal or a model they are following. You're tying to pigeonhole the platform and I think you're WAY off.

[PKing]

Loma-Walters was ruined when Walters lost the title.

A 130-pound non title with Walters doesn't really generate interest.

But Lomachenko fighting for a title in a 2nd division got HBO's interest.

A Lomachenko 130 unification may get some interest.

Even Loma-Walter would have more interest if its at least a title defense for Loma.

1985 is calling... pick up your rotary phone

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

if you gonna play the mismatch game you better have 1 billion in your pocket to pay for your on tv time and your own fighters paycheck.

[PKing]

You still don't get it dude...

The only thing stopping PBC from owning American boxing is getting all the HBO dates. Hell.. even if they get 50 to 60 percent of all the HBO dates in the near future that is literally 95% of US boxing.

[Eff Pandas]

If they wanna be an HBO-like entity? When was that EVER the goal? And what is "HBO-like' anyway? Matter of fact, doesn't matter because I SERIOUSLY doubt that is their goal or a model they are following. You're tying to pigeonhole the platform and I think you're WAY off.

You think they got a half a billion to billion dollar bankroll (depending on who you believe) to be the next Top Rank, Golden Boy or to just get a TV deal? Seems like a lot of money to invest in just a TV deal.

"When this is all said and done, it's going to be much bigger than the UFC."

-Sam Watson

[PKing]

You think they got a half a billion to billion dollar bankroll (depending on who you believe) to be the next Top Rank, Golden Boy or to just get a TV deal? Seems like a lot of money to invest in just a TV deal.

To be the next Golden Boy or Top Rank?

What the hell does that mean lol

[Sweet Jones]

You still don't get it dude...

The only thing stopping PBC from owning American boxing is getting all the HBO dates. Hell.. even if they get 50 to 60 percent of all the HBO dates in the near future that is literally 95% of US boxing.

Pretty much this.

[Eff Pandas]

To be the next Golden Boy or Top Rank?

What the hell does that mean lol

Dude is suggesting PBC isn't trying to do big things. I'm not sure what his thoughts are with what PBC's goals are so just throwing potential goals out there.