If Haymon doesn't bail out Top Rank... is Arum finished?

[Mitchell Kane]

Simply lining up the names that Degale has access to (through Haymon, Eddie Hearn, and Hearn's affiliaion with the Sauerlands); not singling out Sturm as a guy that Degale should chase, just noting that he's a money fight that's available to him.

Yes, Ramirez could have two belts, the same as potentially Degale, if he were to 1)get the Chudinov fight and 2)beat Chudinov.

He gets the belts ... and then what?

Even if you're simply lining up names, Sturm's makes little to no sense to mention at this point.

Obviusly the Ramirez-Chudinov outcome depends on the fight getting made, but if they're already having discussions then there is a possibility it does get made.

As for the then what....whether he has one title or two, Ramirez is a Mexican fighter with a world title, with a promoter that knows how to market fighters to the Mexican/Mexican American market.

What's next is probably main events, either on HBO or HBO PPV, and if he has two titles at 168 then, depending on what happens with Golovkin-Canelo, you could start to see talk of Ramirez-Golovkin heat up.

Frankly, whether Golovkin-Canelo happens next year or not, Ramirez may end up being a bigger money fight than some of the options 160 outside of Canelo.

Whether a Golovkin fight actually happens in the near furture or Arum just uses Golovkin's name for press, that fight becomes a more of a talking point if Ramirez has two titles, and if he becomes a gate/tv attraction...which really doesn't seem that far-fetched should he beat Britsch and win again in the fall (Chudinov or not).

[Scipio2009]

Even if you're simply lining up names, Sturm's makes little to no sense to mention at this point.

Obviusly the Ramirez-Chudinov outcome depends on the fight getting made, but if they're already having discussions then there is a possibility it does get made.

As for the then what....whether he has one title or two, Ramirez is a Mexican fighter with a world title, with a promoter that knows how to market fighters to the Mexican/Mexican American market.

What's next is probably main events, either on HBO or HBO PPV, and if he has two titles at 168 then, depending on what happens with Golovkin-Canelo, you could start to see talk of Ramirez-Golovkin heat up.

Frankly, whether Golovkin-Canelo happens next year or not, Ramirez may end up being a bigger money fight than some of the options 160 outside of Canelo.

Whether a Golovkin fight actually happens in the near furture or Arum just uses Golovkin's name for press, that fight becomes a more of a talking point if Ramirez has two titles, and if he becomes a gate/tv attraction...which really doesn't seem that far-fetched should he beat Britsch and win again in the fall (Chudinov or not).

Felix Sturm is still a massive name in Germany; even though he's just about past it, you can bring him in as a name opponent for a voluntary defense and goose up the German TV money for a fight in the UK (with Showtime International airing the fight to show Degale).

In terms of Ramirez, even if he gets two belts around his waste, simply putting him on HBO and having him crush cans, while talking up a fight with Golovkin, imo won't launch him to stardom. Bet on Bob Arum if you want.

[Mitchell Kane]

Felix Sturm is still a massive name in Germany; even though he's just about past it, you can bring him in as a name opponent for a voluntary defense and goose up the German TV money for a fight in the UK (with Showtime International airing the fight to show Degale).

In terms of Ramirez, even if he gets two belts around his waste, simply putting him on HBO and having him crush cans, while talking up a fight with Golovkin, imo won't launch him to stardom. Bet on Bob Arum if you want.

Sturm is 37 years old and looking at retirement or suspension.

As for Ramirez, he averaged over twice as many viewers on HBO against Vlasov (820k) than Badou Jack (336k) and James Degale (397k) did in their last fights out on SHO.

Gilberto Ramirez has more growth potential in the US market than either Jack or Degale, and if he keeps winning and gets regular backing on HBO, he will become a bigger gate/tv attraction than either.

[Scipio2009]

Sturm is 37 years old and looking at retirement or suspension.

As for Ramirez, he averaged over twice as many viewers on HBO against Vlasov (820k) than Badou Jack (336k) and James Degale (397k) did in their last fights out on SHO.

Gilberto Ramirez has more growth potential in the US market than either Jack or Degale, and if he keeps winning and gets regular backing on HBO, he will become a bigger gate/tv attraction than either.

-HBO is avaliable in basically 40% more homes than Showtime, so there's that.

-When projecting out "growth potential", my general rule of thumb, as referenced by Max Kellerman, is that you go with the better talent. Talent for talent, I don't think Ramirez is all that talented and the little bit that I've seen doesn't show me much else.

James Degale has far more US growth potential, in my opinion, because he's the better fighter.

[Mitchell Kane]

-HBO is avaliable in basically 40% more homes than Showtime, so there's that.

Kinda making my point there.