Comments Thread For: Canelo's Coach Backs Position: We're at 155, No 160 For Golovkin

[Cuban Linx]

Hold on.....

GBP did not allow Canelo to fight Lara either, but what happened?

Canelo told Hoya..... chill b1tch, I'm fighting Lara.

Schaeffer made that fight against Hoya's wishes because Canelo demanded it. Hoya was livid.





I think that is inaccurate and unjustifiable.

* the best fighter at 168 won that tournament, and the 2nd best fighter at 168 came 2nd

* Bute would have lost 3/4 fights, at least, in that tourney

That's one fight though. A fight that they were very fortunate the decision went in their favor (Thanks to Levi Martinez). Like you said, De La Hoya was livid because he didn't want that matchup. Now imagine several of those Lara type fights back to back, that's what a tournament format does.

A tournament format is good for the b-side guys or for the young prospects looking to make a name. It was great for Andre Ward because he was contracted to fight guys that were bigger names than him and they couldn't turn him down because they contractually obliged to fight him. Plus he had the skills to beat all of them, and he did. A tournament has no benefit for a star like Canelo.

Like you mentioned with Bute, there's a reason that InterBoxe didn't want him in the tournament. He was a big time star in Montreal, selling out the Bell Centre, headlining HBO cards, pulling in huge gate numbers. He goes through the Super Six he likely loses 1,2, maybe even 3 fights. Then you've basically lost your star attraction. Granted Bute is still a popular guy in Montreal, he still sells well, but nowhere near the level since he got pasted by Froch.

The same would happen to Canelo. There's no way Canelo goes through the proposed WBC tournament unbeaten. Not with guys like the Charlo's, Andrade, Lara, J-Rock, Vanes etc. He will take a few L's. GBP realizes this, there are too many things that could happen and they can't afford to lose him.

[GTTofAK]

It was De La Hoya.

Those fighters do not sound like B-side guys to me.

That tournament was in 2001. De La Hoya wasn't at middleweight then. De La Hoya didn't jump up to middleweight until 2004. And we all remember how that ended. Same humiliation Trinidad got in 2001.

[Tomasio]

What team Canelo doesn't realize is that the middleweight division is from anything over 154lbs(even if it's a 1/4 of an ounce) to exactly 160lbs, so at some point he's gonna have to face a fighter that weighs exactly 160lbs.. They talked so much S H I T in the past on how they are willing to face the best & won't duck anyone & right now they are using every excuse in the book to avoid fighting GGG.They even have another fight lined up after this one against Khan..Lets see if he gets stripped.

[RespekonMyName]

Canelo had a nice run with Trout, Money May, Lara and Cotto in recent years -- although I considered none of his performances very impressive. Now he's throwing all of his goodwill away with this 155 garbage. This cat is bigger than GGG at this point, but he's STILL calling for a catchweight?

[Scipio2009]

After Con, who else is there for Canelo? Dragging down blow job saunders? He isn't gonna fight andrade. Definitely cant fight the charlo's or Vanes. I guess they can have M.herrera and pitbull gomez move up. Oh no wait i forgot about bradley-canelo

Simple; Alvarez vacates the WBC belt and stands tall as the clear biggest star 154/160, and arguably the biggest star in the sport at that point.

Who does he fight? Miguel Cotto, Gabriel Rosado, Liam Smith(WBO 154 champ), Anthony Mundine, etc.

And that's without thinking all that hard; all TV friendly showdowns, that Alvarez brings a good amount of star power for, with marketing angles/gimmicks to sell the fights to more markets, on a network (HBO) that could care less who Alvarez fights as long as Alvarez is in the fight (two PR vs Mexico showdowns, a fight that's sellable in the UK, a fight that's PPV in Australia, etc).

You wrap the WBO 154 belt around 'Canelo's' waist, and continue to play him to his Mexican audience, and you run with that for as long as Canelo can/wants to fight at 154lbs (none of the other titlist at 154 are big enough names for the public to compel Alvarez to fight).

Once Alvarez can no longer make the 154 weight, he immediately moves into the 160lb division as the biggest star, and then it comes down to doing business; 85/15 Canelo split on any fight (if Golovkin or Saunders can't come to terms, Alvarez plots his own path through decent fights).

[Scipio2009]

155 isn't a weight class you dense mother****ers. You want the belt,then defend it at 160 and be a real Middleweight. No wonder people are watching this sport less and less,when we let divas bend the rules that have been in place since before they were even born. Anyone who defends or approves of canelo trying to force a 155 lb catchweight on golovkin is not a real boxing fan. They're nothing more than fake little fanboys who follow whoever happens to be popular at the moment, and they have no respect for the rules,traditions and principles of the sport.

.... Alvarez has made it pretty clear that, though being respectful to the Mexico-based WBC, he doesn't care all that much about being 160 champion. That's come from Alvarez, his camp, his promoter, etc.

If Golovkin is happy picking up another belt in the mail, so be it.

[HeroBando]

.... Alvarez has made it pretty clear that, though being respectful to the Mexico-based WBC, he doesn't care all that much about being 160 champion. That's come from Alvarez, his camp, his promoter, etc.

If Golovkin is happy picking up another belt in the mail, so be it.

Canelo is disrespecting the Wbc not by ditching the belt, but by keeping it while insisting on 155. And sure he cares, he just recently said he's not giving it up cause he earned it in the Ring. He wouldn't agree to that lopsided purse spli vs Cotto if he didn't care about the belt

[Scipio2009]

I wonder what will the WBC do?

^^^this

My guess is that the WBC's decision will come down to how much Golovkin "wants to unify the division", rather than use the statement as a clever marketing ploy to avoid some real monsters (Abel Sanchez running his mouth didn't help things for him).

If Golovkin is actually serious about unifying all the titles, they put their foot down, the WBC strips Alvarez, and they hand the belt to Golovkin; if it's still just a marketing ploy, K2 gets another "fee", the WBC elevates Alvarez to WBC 160 champion emeritus, Golovkin gets handed another belt, and he fights JS Heiland to "defend his belt".

[GTTofAK]

Canelo had a nice run with Trout, Money May, Lara and Cotto in recent years -- although I considered none of his performances very impressive. Now he's throwing all of his goodwill away with this 155 garbage. This cat is bigger than GGG at this point, but he's STILL calling for a catchweight?

No ****. GGG's got like what an inch on him if that? And Canelo is clearly the broader man. GGG is actually kind of a small middleweight. His style would have had a tough time in the mid 2000s division with relative giants like Hopkins, and Pavlick .

[Rip Chudd]