Comments Thread For: Anthony Joshua-Charles Martin in Serious Talks, Says Hearn

[Scipio2009]

Glolovkin's mandatory purse split is 45% as interim champion, theres no issue there. The problem is the WBC, who are unlikely to seriously enforce it

Would appreciate a source to confirm that because, if that's the case, I don't see Canelo Promotions giving up 40% of its pot to a guy who only did 100k PPV buys.

[The plunger man]

lol. How much money do you honestly believe Dillian Whyte was paid to fight Anthony Joshua?

The numbers, simply put, don't make sense; you can ignore that reality if you want, but wishful thinking won't change the fact that increasing the cost of the fight card by a million British pounds, for a fighter who basically tripped over himself to become champion is a ******ed business move, however you cut it. If the asking price comes down, we'll see.

Again, why would Joshua give up 1m British pounds when he could fight a solid guy for a fifth of that, still end up as the top challenger to three of the four heavyweight titles, and still have the option to take the fight to purse bid (no different than what Golden Boy did to n'Dam) and not give over any of his own UK money?

There's no "worry" about Joshua getting a title shot; he's basically locked in to get his first crack within his next 3-4 fights. The issue is that you seem to have such a hard-on over picking up a paper title, that you're seemingly advocating "to hell with doing proper business; get the fight".

You're thinking is almost as foolish as K2, after flopping in their PPV debut, asking for a 60/40 split on the Canelo fight, when their mandatory status only being good for a 25/75 split on a purse bid.

What are you talking about you idiot...stick to your chump wilder and don't clutter up my space.......joshua got paid £4 million in his last fight...it's stands to reason that if he got paid that then there is money to be made in this fight....it won't cost the same as Wembley stadium because it's almost 4 times as less....holds 22 thousand.....minimum site fee would be 2.2 gate + international plus merchandise so totals about £3 million....500k ppv x £17 = £8.5 million so that's in the region of £ 11.5 million....that's 17 million dollars bongo....take 40% out for ppv for sky leaves $10.2 million.....paying Martin 2 million dollars out of that is is not a problem and If was joshua I would let Martin have the lions share because he has the belt and when joshua wins then it's a big summer fight in 2017 with tyson fury and joshua will be the IBF and fury WBO AND WBA ....you stick to your silly f@ckin cherry picking deontay wilders of this world and if joshua wants to go the Martin route that's entirely up to him and it has **** all to do with you mongo......and joshua fighting for a world title could very well do more than 500k ...if groves and froch done 900k lol....now shut the f@ck up and worry about other stuff.....I wouldn't trust Deontay wilder to fight any decent challenger cause all he has done is fight bums.......the question I need to ask is why are you so bothered if joshua does fight Martin ....agenda maybe ....move on with your life

[techliam]

Would appreciate a source to confirm that because, if that's the case, I don't see Canelo Promotions giving up 40% of its pot to a guy who only did 100k PPV buys.

The winning promoter of the purse offer must, within eight (8) working days after the bids are opened, shall deposit with the WBC ten percent (10%) of the total amount of his offer. The deposit will be returned to the promoter or credited at the time of the title bout. In the event the promoter does not promote the bout according to the terms of his winning bid, he will forfeit the ten percent (10%) deposit to the boxers, which will be distributed seventy-five percent (75%) to the champion and twenty five percent (25%) to the challenger, (50% each boxer in the case of a vacant title); 55% to the champion and 45% to the interim champion, both amounts net of all expenses incurred by the WBC in the purse offer process. The ten percent (10%) deposit may be made with the local WBC affiliated continental federation, with express authorization of the President or Secretary General and with the agreement of said continental federation, which will in turn send it to the WBC.

However, the WBC rules are amended quite often. Recently they've added a get-out clause for Floyd when he held the two division WBC titles at the same time, the so-called 'elite fighter' category.

In a fairly recent edition of the regulations, they've been vague regarding interim champions, saying they cannot be made into mandatory challengers, and also blurring the lines of the purse split:

In its sole discretion, the WBC shall subsequently determine the timing and terms of any bout between a Champion and Interim Champion to determine a sole champion in the division, provided, however, that an Interim Champion shall never be deemed a mandatory challenger, or entitled to greater share of proceeds of any purse offer beyond that of a challenger, without a specific prior written order to that effect from the WBC President or his designee.

However, as standard WBC purse bids go (assuming thats what they could enforce), it would be 70/30 (of 90% of the total purse) in favour of Canelo, with the winner receiving the other 10%.

The net purse offer (after deduction of all sanction fees payable to the WBC hereunder) shall be divided as follows:
(a) first, 10% of the total shall be set aside as a bonus for the winner of the contest, then, of the remainder,
(b) 70% of the remaining 90% shall be for the champion and 30% of the remaining 90% shall be for the challenger in title bouts; and
(c) 50% of the remaining 90% to each contender in the case of vacant titles or elimination bouts;

All you need to know is this: get used to the phrase 'at the WBC's sole discretion' as the Board of Governors and the President can do whatever the hell they like

[Scipio2009]

What are you talking about you idiot...stick to your chump wilder and don't clutter up my space.......joshua got paid £4 million in his last fight...it's stands to reason that if he got paid that then there is money to be made in this fight....it won't cost the same as Wembley stadium because it's almost 4 times as less....holds 22 thousand.....minimum site fee would be 2.2 gate + international plus merchandise so totals about £3 million....500k ppv x £17 = £8.5 million so that's in the region of £ 11.5 million....that's 17 million dollars bongo....take 40% out for ppv for sky leaves $10.2 million.....paying Martin 2 million dollars out of that is is not a problem and If was joshua I would let Martin have the lions share because he has the belt and when joshua wins then it's a big summer fight in 2017 with tyson fury and joshua will be the IBF and fury WBO AND WBA ....you stick to your silly f@ckin cherry picking deontay wilders of this world and if joshua wants to go the Martin route that's entirely up to him and it has **** all to do with you mongo......and joshua fighting for a world title could very well do more than 500k ...if groves and froch done 900k lol....now shut the f@ck up and worry about other stuff.....I wouldn't trust Deontay wilder to fight any decent challenger cause all he has done is fight bums.......the question I need to ask is why are you so bothered if joshua does fight Martin ....agenda maybe ....move on with your life

-Dillian Whyte was likely paid nowhere near 1m British pounds; not sure why that doesn't get through, so whatever.

-500k PPV buys at 17 British pounds per buy, multiplied by Matchroom's 60% take, puts 5m British pounds into the pot.
-To get 2.2m British pounds off of 22k tickets, you're earnestly projecting that Hearn sells out the building at an average ticket price of 100 British pounds. lol
-In another writedown, the total international TV number is now down to the equivalent of $1.5m, nearly 50% more international money that Froch-Groves II was able to generate.

Even with your rosy projections, only 8m British pounds actually end up in the pot.

Joshua gets 4m, Martin presumably gets 1m, the cost to cover the undercard and pay the venue rental likely add up to another 1m Pounds.

6m of the 8m already spent, and not a single pound spent on sanctioning or marketing the event. lol

[The plunger man]

-Dillian Whyte was likely paid nowhere near 1m British pounds; not sure why that doesn't get through, so whatever.

-500k PPV buys at 17 British pounds per buy, multiplied by Matchroom's 60% take, puts 5m British pounds into the pot.
-To get 2.2m British pounds off of 22k tickets, you're earnestly projecting that Hearn sells out the building at an average ticket price of 100 British pounds. lol
-In another writedown, the total international TV number is now down to the equivalent of $1.5m, nearly 50% more international money that Froch-Groves II was able to generate.

Even with your rosy projections, only 8m British pounds actually end up in the pot.

Joshua gets 4m, Martin presumably gets 1m, the cost to cover the undercard and pay the venue rental likely add up to another 1m Pounds.

6m of the 8m already spent, and not a single pound spent on sanctioning or marketing the event. lol

As I said before who says joshua gets 4 million this time lol.....there is a world title in the line and as I said before joshua could settle for 3 million and that extra gos to Martin ...joshua stil gets the bigger purse and Martin get his purse of 2 million dollars....the bigger question you need to answer....what the **** has it got to do with you if Hearn pays Martin the fee he wants.....as for selling out at £100 per ticket...thats what it will be averaged out.....500k is 8.5 million....2.2 million for site earnings.....250k for merchandise 500k for international tv rights.....that's 11.5 million minimum and if it sells more than 500k your pretty screwed lol.......£ 11,5 million minus 40% leaves 7 million profit for match room ....£2 million for joshua and £1.5 million for Martin ....that leaves 3.5 million for matchroom to pay for hire...which is nowhere near the amount of Wembley stadium ... £120 k ....fees the under card another 750k.....that leaves £2.5 million for matchroom to sort other bits a peices out.....now if it sells 550k which is a good possibility that makes even more Hearn...as I said before you stick to your bum heavyweight and dont worry what what joshua is gonna do....all u have to worry about is when wilder steps in the ring with him and he's get knocked spark out...sounds like your desperate to try and keep joshua out lol......wilder cannot even sell 5k tickets when he boxes lol

[Deontaytheking]

This would be a great test for both.

[Scipio2009]

However, the WBC rules are amended quite often. Recently they've added a get-out clause for Floyd when he held the two division WBC titles at the same time, the so-called 'elite fighter' category.

In a fairly recent edition of the regulations, they've been vague regarding interim champions, saying they cannot be made into mandatory challengers, and also blurring the lines of the purse split:



However, as standard WBC purse bids go (assuming thats what they could enforce), it would be 70/30 (of 90% of the total purse) in favour of Canelo, with the winner receiving the other 10%.



All you need to know is this: get used to the phrase 'at the WBC's sole discretion' as the Board of Governors and the President can do whatever the hell they like

If the WBC is literally expecting Alvarez and his camp to have a 40% share of a potential bid going to a guy that does no business, the fight's already dead.

90/10 Alvarez, when you actually sit and think about it, is about where the split on the potential fight should be.

[Scipio2009]

As I said before who says joshua gets 4 million this time lol.....there is a world title in the line and as I said before joshua could settle for 3 million and that extra gos to Martin ...joshua stil gets the bigger purse and Martin get his purse of 2 million dollars....the bigger question you need to answer....what the **** has it got to do with you if Hearn pays Martin the fee he wants.....as for selling out at £100 per ticket...thats what it will be averaged out.....500k is 8.5 million....2.2 million for site earnings.....250k for merchandise 500k for international tv rights.....that's 11.5 million minimum and if it sells more than 500k your pretty screwed lol.......£ 11,5 million minus 40% leaves 7 million profit for match room ....£2 million for joshua and £1.5 million for Martin ....that leaves 3.5 million for matchroom to pay for hire...which is nowhere near the amount of Wembley stadium ... £120 k ....fees the under card another 750k.....that leaves £2.5 million for matchroom to sort other bits a peices out.....now if it sells 550k which is a good possibility that makes even more Hearn...as I said before you stick to your bum heavyweight and dont worry what what joshua is gonna do....all u have to worry about is when wilder steps in the ring with him and he's get knocked spark out...sounds like your desperate to try and keep joshua out lol......wilder cannot even sell 5k tickets when he boxes lol

Now, in another correction to try and make your numbers make sense, you're now trying to argue that Joshua-Martin is supposed to sell the equivalent of $500k in merch? lol

Your projected numbers make absolutely no sense, especially when you consider that Martin is coming to the table as a no-profile titlist who was basically handed a paper title.

In the rosiest of projections, Matchroom will likely have earned 8m-9m British pounds in revenue on the fight;even at 3m British pounds to Joshua, the numbers don't even come close to making sense.

keep ignoring sensible budget projections if you want; living in fantasy seems to fit you well.

[The plunger man]

Now, in another correction to try and make your numbers make sense, you're now trying to argue that Joshua-Martin is supposed to sell the equivalent of $500k in merch? lol

Your projected numbers make absolutely no sense, especially when you consider that Martin is coming to the table as a no-profile titlist who was basically handed a paper title.

In the rosiest of projections, Matchroom will likely have earned 8m-9m British pounds in revenue on the fight;even at 3m British pounds to Joshua, the numbers don't even come close to making sense.

keep ignoring sensible budget projections if you want; living in fantasy seems to fit you well.

now your grabbing at straws with the mercandise figures.....it could sell 600k PPV it world title fight for Joshua and the sport is thriving over here unlike the states...so as I said before you have an agenda as to why you your trying to say Joshua shouldn't fight for a title....there's no other reason for it.....Joshua winning a belt makes a unification fight much more profitable for him and he brings a title to the table if there's Wembley stadium clash next summer.....the WBO,WBA,WBC AND IBF are all paper titles so what's your agenda....there money in the pot to give Martin his 2 million dollars and and over that amount to Joshua ....Joshua might even accept the same as Martin so again what's it got to do with you if they decide on the f Martin fight lol

[ukbox]

They're not putting Joshua near Martin until they know how good Martin is
Joshua will be carefully guided to the path of least resistance
Tune up, tune up & another tune up. They'll take a small risk for a belt then milk it with more tune ups & easy mandatories. If there's a risky mandatory then it'll be avoided for a cash-in fight. They don't know what risk Martin is yet.
It's typical of fat boy hearn & should be expected
*** matchroom