Comments Thread For: Golovkin Rejects Idea of Catch-Weight For Cotto, Canelo

[aboutfkntime]

So, why on earth would Golovkin refuse to give Cotto a catchweight ?

Unless..... surely not ?

Definitely gonna need an answer to this.

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[kafkod]

Again, that is simply incorrect.

The sanctioned weight for the Martinez fight was 159lbs, and the sanctioned weight for Geale was 157lbs.

Neither fighter could weigh more than 159 in the Martinez fight, and neither fighter could weigh more than 157 in the Geale fight..... OFFICIALLY.

Not according to the WBC's own rules. Read this again, and cut the bullshit.



"Catch weight – This term is used for specific agreements reached by the 2 fighters and is an exclusive commercial contract which has nothing to do with the regulations of boxing"

Read what Gary Shaw, Geales promoter, said about the 157 catchweight for that fight.



“I believe that if a fighter wants to fight at any weight that he wants to fight at, he has that opportunity, but he shouldn’t stop the opponent from fighting at the sanctioned weight which in this case is 160.”

[Daddy T]

lol so now we have posters arguing in favor of catchweights again...

[aboutfkntime]

Not according to the WBC's own rules. Read this again, and cut the bullshit.



"Catch weight ?This term is used for specific agreements reached by the 2 fighters and is an exclusive commercial contract which has nothing to do with the regulations of boxing"

Read what Gary Shaw, Geales promoter, said about the 157 catchweight for that fight.



“I believe that if a fighter wants to fight at any weight that he wants to fight at, he has that opportunity, but he shouldn’t stop the opponent from fighting at the sanctioned weight which in this case is 160.?/b>

Well, Shaws opinion is irrelevant. Opinions are ass-holes, everyone has one.

I actually agree with him, but both of our opinions are irrelevant.

Nobody is saying that a contracted catchweight re-writes the rules of boxing.

I am saying that the OFFICIAL contracted SANCTIONED weight for the Martinez fight was 159, and neither fighter could weigh more..... and the OFFICIAL contracted SANCTIONED weight for the Geale fight was 157, and neither fighter could weigh more.

The fact that Cotto did not even come close to the contracted weight of 157lbs in the Geale fight confirms that he trained to come in at his best fighting weight, which was proven to be 153lbs.

You are just going to have to face up to the fact that Cotto is a JMW.

I really dont see how you attempting to convince the world that 153lb Cotto is a middleweight could possibly benefit either you or Golovkin.

Cotto should drop the belt if he is not prepared to fight a MW at 160.

Well, he wont...... so lets move on.

IF Cotto beats Canelo, and thats a big IF..... Golovkin will either accept his catchweight demand or he will go kick rocks while he waits for a reply to his request for the WBC to have Cotto stripped.

Meanwhile, you will kill yourself trying to explain why Golovkin turned down that HUGE payday after publicly stating (today) that he can make 154.

Any boxer who publicly called out a smaller man.....then refused to even discuss a CW, would be viewed as a cherry picking coward.

[BattlingNelson]

There's no predetermined purse, unless it goes to a purse bid, which it won't. GGG and his team will lose in negotiations, as a matter of fact they will get ****d. And all the bravado you hear from them now will change to whining. What this comes down too, is whether or not GGG wants the big paycheck, and the name, if so, he will concede.

Yes it's possible that it will not go to pursebids, but if volontary negotiations results in a CW you can be sure that terms for GGG will be better financially than they would have been with a pursebid. That's common sense.

Also you say will Cotto be a champ or wimp. You consider Cotto fighting GGG at 157, being a wimp move? Really? Was De La Hoya a wimp when he fought Hopkins at 157? Was Hopkins ****** for agreeing to the catch weight, even though De La Hoya had a Middleweight title?

Hopkins got paid for the CW. Same thing can happen to GGG. Note a difference here though: This was not a champion fighting a mandatory. See?

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Yes it's possible that it will not go to pursebids, but if volontary negotiations results in a CW you can be sure that terms for GGG will be better financially than they would have been with a pursebid. That's common sense.


Hopkins got paid for the CW. Same thing can happen to GGG. Note a difference here though: This was not a champion fighting a mandatory. See?

It won't go to a purse bid because fighters at Cotto's level pretty much do what they want. Cotto would drop the title in a second. And the split, yeah sure maybe it'll go from 75-25 to 70-30, they'll still get ****d in negotiations.

As far as a champion fighting a mando. You guys get all caught up in the circumstances of a catchweight so you can justify when a fighter you support requests one, in reality it doesn't matter who has a title or who fought in what division, a catch weight is a catch weight, and it is always to make the fight a little more even for the smaller guy. I would like to see a rule that no "world" title (emphasis on world) can be won at a catch weight, but that's not the current landscape. As such I give credit to Pac for defeating Cotto at 145, Ill give Cotto credit for fighting GGG at a catch weight, and would give GGG credit for fighting Ward at a catch weight. All you guys need to get off this catch weight stuff, it's been happening for damn near a century and it won't stop now because a couple of fan boy's got a hard on for a fighter. Not saying you're a fan boy but it's prevalent on this site.

[PACnPBFsuck]

He could fight them at 154.

[BattlingNelson]

It won't go to a purse bid because fighters at Cotto's level pretty much do what they want. Cotto would drop the title in a second. And the split, yeah sure maybe it'll go from 75-25 to 70-30, they'll still get ****d in negotiations.

I don't know from where you are getting those splits from. Here's the WBC rules:

Division of Proceeds in a Purse Offer. The net purse offer (after deduction of all sanction

fees payable to the WBC hereunder) shall be divided as follows:

(a) 70% for the champion and 30% for the challenger in title bouts; and

(b) 50% to each contender in the case of vacant titles or elimination bouts;

provided, however, that the WBC Board of Governors, may by a majority vote, authorize a

modification of the division of purse offer proceeds between boxers in a purse offer in

unusual or special cases, such as consideration of outstanding marketing value of one of the

boxers, as the WBC shall determine in its sole discretion. The modification of the split

shall be limited to 60-40% and 55-45%, except in the most exceptional circumstances, in

which the split may be modified to 50-50%.

So we are starting out with 70/30. A CW demand would cost something so we might have a split of 65/35 or 60/40 who knows?

As far as a champion fighting a mando. You guys get all caught up in the circumstances of a catchweight so you can justify when a fighter you support requests one, in reality it doesn't matter who has a title or who fought in what division, a catch weight is a catch weight, and it is always to make the fight a little more even for the smaller guy. I would like to see a rule that no "world" title (emphasis on world) can be won at a catch weight, but that's not the current landscape. As such I give credit to Pac for defeating Cotto at 145, Ill give Cotto credit for fighting GGG at a catch weight, and would give GGG credit for fighting Ward at a catch weight. All you guys need to get off this catch weight stuff, it's been happening for damn near a century and it won't stop now because a couple of fan boy's got a hard on for a fighter. Not saying you're a fan boy but it's prevalent on this site.

The thing you might not totally understand, is that if Cotto insists on a CW and GGG refuses, then Cotto will be stripped (or forced to vacate if prefer that term).

[mick1303]

There's no predetermined purse, unless it goes to a purse bid, which it won't. GGG and his team will lose in negotiations, as a matter of fact they will get ****d. And all the bravado you hear from them now will change to whining. What this comes down too, is whether or not GGG wants the big paycheck, and the name, if so, he will concede. Also you say will Cotto be a champ or wimp. You consider Cotto fighting GGG at 157, being a wimp move? Really? Was De La Hoya a wimp when he fought Hopkins at 157? Was Hopkins ****** for agreeing to the catch weight, even though De La Hoya had a Middleweight title?

All these talks about "payday" are a bit obsolete... Golovkin ALREADY can generate cash on his own. He does not need Cotto for money. If Cotto vacates, Golovkin will be just fine finacially. He will hold 3 belts, then he'll go after Andy Lee - and I bet he will be paid handsomely in the process. I think this is a matter of pride as well now. Once Cotto fans started throwing around tidbits about "bend over" and "he will be ****d at the negotiations", they created a negative atmosphere, which will prevent this fight from being made, unless Cotto mans up and fights at the division limit. Make no mistake, fighters and their managers read these message boards.

If Cotto walks away, then the last memory of him would be as about a coward, who picked a belt from a cripple and run with a tail between his legs from the real middleweight. But if he will fight at 160 and will not talk smack, GGG may go easy on him, kind of like Murray fight, when loser leaves on his feet after a fight and is not damaged severely.

Regarding Hopkins-DLH, I consider this fight as shady, the KO was suspect and the confirmation of that is they are best buddies and business partners now.

[kafkod]

Well, Shaws opinion is irrelevant. Opinions are ass-holes, everyone has one.

I actually agree with him, but both of our opinions are irrelevant.

Nobody is saying that a contracted catchweight re-writes the rules of boxing.

I am saying that the OFFICIAL contracted SANCTIONED weight for the Martinez fight was 159, and neither fighter could weigh more..... and the OFFICIAL contracted SANCTIONED weight for the Geale fight was 157, and neither fighter could weigh more.

The fact that Cotto did not even come close to the contracted weight of 157lbs in the Geale fight confirms that he trained to come in at his best fighting weight, which was proven to be 153lbs.

You are just going to have to face up to the fact that Cotto is a JMW.

I really dont see how you attempting to convince the world that 153lb Cotto is a middleweight could possibly benefit either you or Golovkin.

Cotto should drop the belt if he is not prepared to fight a MW at 160.

Well, he wont...... so lets move on.

IF Cotto beats Canelo, and thats a big IF..... Golovkin will either accept his catchweight demand or he will go kick rocks while he waits for a reply to his request for the WBC to have Cotto stripped.

Meanwhile, you will kill yourself trying to explain why Golovkin turned down that HUGE payday after publicly stating (today) that he can make 154.

Ok. So even when I post links which prove that what you are saying is totally wrong, you still refuse to accept the truth.

Not much point trying to have an honest debate with a troll. I should have known better than to waste my time trying.

If you were an ex boxer and a genuine fan of the sport, as you claim, you wouldn't even need this explaining to you, btw. It's all basic stuff which any real fan would know about.