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    #71
    Originally posted by Sterling Archer View Post
    is estrada a great fighter?

    that propels you to #1 overall status?

    seriously?
    I don't know. Watch some of their fights and form your own opinion.

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      #72
      Originally posted by PBP. View Post
      I don't know. Watch some of their fights and form your own opinion.
      so you dont know but you're defending his ranking?

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        #73
        Originally posted by Sterling Archer View Post
        so you dont know but you're defending his ranking?
        I made a thread on it already. I'm not doing your homework for you. With your ole "let me see your answers" ass.

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          #74
          Wlad should be #1

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            #75
            Originally posted by Dr. Morocco View Post
            His resume is too weak to even consider him the P4P #5. 6-10 is acceptable, though.
            he's beaten two titlists (niida and yaegashi), three fighters who won titles after being beaten by him (takayama, estrada and rodriguez jr) and one former titlist (sosa). that's pretty solid. ward's numbers are only marginally better

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              #76
              Originally posted by NEETzsche View Post
              he's beaten two titlists (niida and yaegashi), three fighters who won titles after being beaten by him (takayama, estrada and rodriguez jr) and one former titlist (sosa). that's pretty solid. ward's numbers are only marginally better
              Ward has defeated proven elite level fighters like Froch and Kessler. Gonzalez is a good fighter, but he is fighting in an EXTREMELY WEAK DIVISION. So beating a champ there doesn't always mean a lot. Gonzalez's resume is not solid, he doesn't have one truly good signature win.

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                #77
                Originally posted by Dr. Morocco View Post
                Ward has defeated proven fighters like Froch and Kessler. Gonzalez is a good fighter, but he is fighting in an EXTREMELY WEAK DIVISION. So beating a champ there doesn't always mean a lot. Gonzalez's resume is not solid, he doesn't have one truly good signature win.
                the win over estrada is just as good as ward's wins over froch and kessler. what makes kessler so great? losing every big fight he was in except one, which was subsequently reversed in the rematch? i think you put too much stock into name value

                and for the record 108-115 is perhaps the most exciting region in boxing right now

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by NEETzsche View Post
                  the win over estrada is just as good as ward's wins over froch and kessler. what makes kessler so great? losing every big fight he was in except one, which was subsequently reversed in the rematch? i think you put too much stock into name value

                  and for the record 108-115 is perhaps the most exciting region in boxing right now
                  Kessler got a win against Froch. Estrada got no such win.
                  Kessler had a higher KO percentage.
                  Kessler only lost to great fighters like Calzaghe, Ward and Froch (who he was 1-1 against). Estrada lost to Juan Carlos Sanchez...


                  Don't even compare Estrada to Kessler. Estrada has to deserve it first.

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by Dr. Morocco View Post
                    Kessler got a win against Froch. Estrada got no such win.
                    Kessler had a higher KO percentage.
                    Kessler only lost to great fighters like Calzaghe, Ward and Froch (who he was 1-1 against). Estrada lost to Juan Carlos Sanchez...


                    Don't even compare Estrada to Kessler. Estrada has to deserve it first.
                    you don't know what you're talking about. viloria and segura have both featured in reputable p4p lists at certain times in their careers

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                      #80
                      Originally posted by Dr. Morocco View Post
                      Estrada lost to Juan Carlos Sanchez...
                      And avenged it by stoppage. Then proceeded to beat Viloria (who was ranked in the ring ratings), Segura and Melindo. He has earned it.

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