Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[Rath]

That cheater get arrested yet?

nope,not yet.

murican justice system grinds so so slow, maybe it will take as long as lance's

[embryo]

Floyd broke the rules. USADA is incompetent. Every boxing writer agrees. Who are you Floyd fans and where do you get this idea that Floyd did nothing wrong and USADA is a legit organization? They are totally Al Haymon controlled. They are Haymon. It's a joke. And you Floyd fans are a joke, it's hilarious and very entertaining, please keep coming back with your absurd excuses and failed attempts at trying to make an argument in your favor lol. I'm saving the best responses in a word document and will be posting them on my blog to prove how ret@rded you dopes are.

You guys aren't even defending Floyd, you're defending USADA without even knowing it because they helped Floyd get away with breaking the rules. Do you guys realize this?

[embryo]

nope,not yet.

murican justice system grinds so so slow, maybe it will take as long as lance's

We need to start a Change.org petition. It won't be hard at all to get over 500k signatures, maybe even 1 million or more lol. Floyd is the most hated athlete on the planet at the moment. Let's do it! Unless someone already did.

[embryo]

lol only 2 people voted for Floyd in this poll. Probably being paid off by Floyd to defend his tarnished, tainted, asterisk plagued legacy.

[Ruthless One]

I don't see how Floyd's win over Pac has any significant bearing to this issue. Him winning over Pac =/= Floyd's doesn't look su****ious because of this IV thing.

This is more about how this is the man who was supposedly trying to clean the sport of boxing and was accusing his rival of using PEDs all these years doing something su****ious before and (long) after fight night, and, at the same time, it's possible that the drug testing agency and proper authorities (USADA and NSAC) may be covering up for him at the same time.

Thing is, if we reverse the situation and Pac used an IV before fight night, then eventually got a retroactive TUE a few weeks afterwards, everyone would be all over his ass. FACT. But since it's Floyd, what few hardcore fans of his that are left are refusing to question what happened or are denying that he looked even remotely su****ious? I understand trying to justify what happened since you're a fan of his and don't like hearing negative news about him but realistically, you have to admit that this issue and what occurred did make him look su****ious of possible PED use.

This is kinda like what happened with Pac and him asking for 14 day cutoffs during the previous negotiations. Although we can say he didn't want to be blood-drained like what he says happened to him vs. Morales, the fact is is that him not just going all the way with tests without any testing cutoffs did make him look su****ious.

[DeandreXI]

I don't see how Floyd's win over Pac has any significant bearing to this issue. Him winning over Pac =/= Floyd's doesn't look su****ious because of this IV thing.

This is more about how this is the man who was supposedly trying to clean the sport of boxing and was accusing his rival of using PEDs all these years doing something su****ious before and (long) after fight night, and, at the same time, it's possible that the drug testing agency and proper authorities (USADA and NSAC) may be covering up for him at the same time.

Thing is, if we reverse the situation and Pac used an IV before fight night, then eventually got a retroactive TUE a few weeks afterwards, everyone would be all over his ass. FACT. But since it's Floyd, what few hardcore fans of his that are left are refusing to question what happened or are denying that he looked even remotely su****ious? I understand trying to justify what happened since you're a fan of his and don't like hearing negative news about him but realistically, you have to admit that this issue and what occurred did make him look su****ious of possible PED use.

This is kinda like what happened with Pac and him asking for 14 day cutoffs during the previous negotiations. Although we can say he didn't want to be blood-drained like what he says happened to him vs. Morales, the fact is is that him not just going all the way with tests without any testing cutoffs did make him look su****ious.

I think the most overlooked fact here is Pacquiao has raised red flags throughout his career. He gained weight but kept his speed, power and one can argue he actually became a lot more explosive as he gone up in weight and division which is quite unusual.


Add the fact he's been dodging blood testing ever since it was first brought up and you can put 2 and 2 together.

[Ruthless One]

I think the most overlooked fact here is Pacquiao has raised red flags throughout his career. He gained weight but kept his speed, power and one can argue he actually became a lot more explosive as he gone up in weight and division which is quite unusual.


Add the fact he's been dodging blood testing ever since it was first brought up and you can put 2 and 2 together.

It's not overlooked at all. For years, that's what has always been said of Pac and it's been brought up time and time again. It's a fair point, but you can apply that same way of thinking towards Floyd since they had similar beginnings. Plus, the only testing he refused was the one that Floyd was demanding. He has always been taking the usual testing without any negative results until Floyd demanded MORE testing. That's when Pac screwed up, asked for cutoffs, and helped Floyd with ruining his reputation. And we can all agree it made everyone suspect him of PED use.

Now, just like how easy it was for you in your post to suspect Pac of PED usage, why are most of you overlooking what just happened with Floyd?

[DeandreXI]

Now, just like how easy it was for you in your post to suspect Pac of PED usage, why are most of you overlooking what just happened with Floyd?

It's pretty simple for me. USADA did not detect anything illegal from the IV (Saline and Vit C as you may know) to me that pretty much erases any su****ion.

[Rath]

I think the most overlooked fact here is Pacquiao has raised red flags throughout his career. He gained weight but kept his speed, power and one can argue he actually became a lot more explosive as he gone up in weight and division which is quite unusual.


Add the fact he's been dodging blood testing ever since it was first brought up and you can put 2 and 2 together.

if you got that kind of su****ion against Pac why don't you even suspect Floyd of anything?

[Ruthless One]

It's pretty simple for me. USADA did not detect anything illegal from the IV (Saline and Vit C as you may know) to me that pretty much erases any su****ion.

Fair enough. I also agree that the contents of the IV Floyd took was not illegal but what raises su****ion is the amount taken and when the TUE was officially given. Legal 50 mL vs. 750 mL which is 15 times the amount. If I remember correctly, it's even 50 mL every six hours as well, so there is a specific time frame in which you should be getting a certain proper amount.

Anyway, normally, if a drug testing agency or the proper authorities in any issue put a statement out saying that nothing wrong happened, people would trust their words and that's the end of that. However, in this case, USADA in their own words, said they assisted Floyd in giving such an amount of IV fluids, which, under WADA protocols (to which USADA and NSAC abide by; correct me if I am wrong), says it can mask PED use. Secondly, the TUE was given retroactively weeks after the fight was already finished. Thirdly, NSAC was at first in disagreement and said the TUE given by USADA was unauthorized but before the Berto fight, ate their own words.

Take the above situation and replace Floyd with Pac or, heck, a different boxer, and people would be questioning his ass, as well as the organizations who are involved.