Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[imperial1]

He's a pathological liar. After the Corley fight. after clearly/obviously being wobbled badly atleast twice in the post fight interview he says "He's a solid puncher but no, I wasn't hurt at all".

Not hurt at all, right.

This is when he started his cherry picking ..He made sure he faced guys that wouldn't be as slick as chop chop

[boxinghead530]

I didn't say he was wrong, I just said I reached a different conclusion after reading what he posted.

I think you are wrong and are desperately trying to find something that allows you to avoid facing the reality that Floyd beat Manny because he is better than him.

I agree with you that Floyd would have beaten Manny regardless. IMO he didn't need the enhancements, but for me just because I think he would have beaten him if he was clean doesn't mean he gets a pass. A dirty Floyd thoroughly beat a clean Manny very easily. If he was clean it might not have been so easy but he still would have gotten the win.

Regardless F both guys, they are both dirty MFers.

[Lester Tutor]

"If you make a case or theory that Floyd wasn't dehydrated at all, you don't make a statement saying that ''Floyd showed no signs of significant dehydration.''

one thing i think you are forgetting is that it's floyd's camp (please correct me if i'm wrong) that did say floyd was dehydrated that lead to the iv use....that was the excuse forwarded...

you see where i am going? the NOUN came from floyd's camp! not from usada? yes? no?

so how is hauser to discuss this point about the NOUN without using the NOUN that came from floyd's camp themselves?

Lol? The nouns? It's ok. We can talk about dehydration as we always have been. There were a massive swarm of Top Rank evangelicalists claiming that Floyd wasn't dehydrated at all.. That point is clear, and the Floyd haters can't escape that one...

Second, Hauser never even mentioned "significance" about Floyd's dehydration variance in his first article. He was focusing on masking or simply that USADA lets Floyd get away with things even if results don't matter.. Am I correct? Isn't that Hauser's gripe?

Keep in mind of circumstances as if late when Hauser responded. Surely there are things he knows we don't. Whatever variance one wants to believe from what Hauser thought Floyd's dehydration could've been, he acknowledges it by stating that Floyd showed no signs of significant dehydration. Therefore he's agreeing thay Floyd was dehydrated. Whether it was mild or not is all subjective from anyone who is not Floyd.

This gets tiring. Floyd did no wrong doing. Hauser knows it. The chap continously puts commercial disclaimers after his articles clearly showing he enjoys fictional writing. Look at the books he has written. He isn't just "real world." He enjoys and is good at creating drama and suspense.

[boxinghead530]

Oh no Sugarkaine didn't just drop the world metaphor on him.
Their idol got beat & they lost direction.
Even PAC heard it from God directly that he would lose. Their idol is following God, and it is great. They should follow PAC in the ways of the lord. Render unto Floyd what belongs to Floyd.

Marquez almost sinned, almost killed but PAC but Manny was brought back to life like Lazarus was in the bible.

I thought you weren't some fanboy. Quit being on one side of the road and join me with bashing both these dirty MFers. Quit riding with the Floyd fanboys and bashing Pac and join me on bashing both.

Join the old timers club and lets bash them both. Or are you a Floyd fanboy that cant admit it.

[The Big Dunn]

I agree with you that Floyd would have beaten Manny regardless. IMO he didn't need the enhancements, but for me just because I think he would have beaten him if he was clean doesn't mean he gets a pass. A dirty Floyd thoroughly beat a clean Manny very easily. If he was clean it might not have been so easy but he still would have gotten the win.

Regardless F both guys, they are both dirty MFers.

I think when its all said and done this was another Bonds/McGwire/baseball situation.

One guy, son of pro, already on the path to ATG status, couldn't stand to see someone inferior to him be put on his level by writers/media without them pointing out obvious signs of cheating, because he is an absolute jerk to the writers/media and they want to see him get his comeuppance.

So he did the same thing and took it to another level and is now getting mad that the writers/media are trying to make him the face of the issue after ignoring it in the beginning.

The similarities are all there. In both instances since most of the media covering the story are white, the natural instinct is to make it racial when it really wasn't. It was all about the money.

In baseball-it was post strike and post no world series and baseball was looking to get back its place so all you heard was "long ball era" etc. etc. McGwire was celebrated despite obvious signs.

In boxing, with No ODH and Floyd sitting it out, they needed a new face and they pushed Manny. Media celebrated despite signs.

Had Floyd and Bonds not been complete and stuck up *******s and utter jerks, they would not have gotten treated like they did. The way they treated people is why those in the media go at them so hard and never give them a break.

That said, no one can deny their counterparts were allowed to succeed without much scrutiny for a while despite signs of impropriety.

[ADP02]

he did? I didn't see this. where?

He stated, ''Floyd showed no signs of significant dehydration.'' Hauser's latest rebuttal is just redundancy to not look foolish, so everything he wrote was a summary of his previous article, however, he stated, that Floyd showed no signs of ''significant dehydration.'' With that statement itself has cleared himself and proof of his fiction. He is a boxing critic. He has the right to have an opinion, but he can't say Floyd showed ''no signs of dehydration'' because he can't prove it. Just speculation. So agrees that he could be wrong by stating, ''Floyd showed no signs of significant (or severe - or even mild) dehydration.'' He could've just said, to make his point more clear, ''I doubt Floyd Mayweather Jr. was dehydrated at all'' and continue with his normal out of context justifications.

Thanks, appreciate this. Respectfully, I didn't reach the same conclusion you did from reading this. I'm going to think about this some more.

I didn't say he was wrong, I just said I reached a different conclusion after reading what he posted.

I think you are wrong and are desperately trying to find something that allows you to avoid facing the reality that Floyd beat Manny because he is better than him.

So let me know what you disagreed on ... and please skip the parts where you deflect and go off in a tangent ......




.

[boxinghead530]

I think when its all said and done this was another Bonds/McGwire/baseball situation.

One guy, son of pro, already on the path to ATG status, couldn't stand to see someone inferior to him be put on his level by writers/media without them pointing out obvious signs of cheating, because he is an absolute jerk to the writers/media and they want to see him get his comeuppance.

So he did the same thing and took it to another level and is now getting mad that the writers/media are trying to make him the face of the issue after ignoring it in the beginning.

The similarities are all there. In both instances since most of the media covering the story are white, the natural instinct is to make it racial when it really wasn't. It was all about the money.

In baseball-it was post strike and post no world series and baseball was looking to get back its place so all you heard was "long ball era" etc. etc. McGwire was celebrated despite obvious signs.

In boxing, with No ODH and Floyd sitting it out, they needed a new face and they pushed Manny. Media celebrated despite signs.

Had Floyd and Bonds not been complete and stuck up *******s and utter jerks, they would not have gotten treated like they did. The way they treated people is why those in the media go at them so hard and never give them a break.

That said, no one can deny their counterparts were allowed to succeed without much scrutiny for a while despite signs of impropriety.

Well it's on Floyd for not keeping himself true. If he looked at other guys who he thought were juicing and not on his level that were getting praise. He could have just started putting them on blast and started a true crusade and kept himself clean and not just give in and do what they were doing. So he has to take what comes to him regardless. The guy is the biggest name in the sport so because of that the heat he gets will always be 1000 times greater than if he was just some journeyman titleholder who was juicing.

But like I said if his decision to juice was because others were doing and that they didn't belong on his level, well he should have just been a man and stayed true and real because in the end it would have been so much better in the long run. Now he is in the situation he is in and his accomplishments will be question.

[Zaroku]

I thought you weren't some fanboy. Quit being on one side of the road and join me with bashing both these dirty MFers. Quit riding with the Floyd fanboys and bashing Pac and join me on bashing both.

Join the old timers club and lets bash them both. Or are you a Floyd fanboy that cant admit it.

I bash them both. In my opinion, not legally binding, Floyd is full of ****.
I believe Marquez cheated, yoked like that, I believe PAC used to roids too.

Floyd won the fight 8 to 4, but juxtaposing his ring victory against that shady TUE, guilty & dirty.
Ben Johnson beat Karl Lewis, but roided.

Let me throw this out there, and I mean no disrespect to his family, I knew John Tuggle, in high school his locker was next to mine, we talked from time to time, attended the same university! He was the last man drafted by the Chicago Bears, I think he should have been drafted higher.
My opinion. He died. The media speculates it was PED use related. F the media, I don't know. He was a great athlete & person. I don't know if john ever juiced. I know he had a lion's heart, but bigger.

John is the reason I hold back on my judgements.

John Tuggle! RIP




But that was NFL.
How do we clean up a sport that has been dirty since it started?
Help me bro, old timers United, what do we do??

Best regards,
Zaroku






Thanks for the course correction.

Really. I tend to fight the extreme fans individually, and not the core problem at hand.
IV thread right, TUE nearly 3 weeks later. If I channel my love and respect for Sanchez, guilty. The game is out of control and dirty beyond belief.
Guilty.

[The Big Dunn]

So let me know what you disagreed on ... and please skip the parts where you deflect and go off in a tangent ......




.

when I'm done thinking about it, I will let him know.

[Lester Tutor]

Well it's on Floyd for not keeping himself true. If he looked at other guys who he thought were juicing and not on his level that were getting praise. He could have just started putting them on blast and started a true crusade and kept himself clean and not just give in and do what they were doing. So he has to take what comes to him regardless. The guy is the biggest name in the sport so because of that the heat he gets will always be 1000 times greater than if he was just some journeyman titleholder who was juicing.

But like I said if his decision to juice was because others were doing and that they didn't belong on his level, well he should have just been a man and stayed true and real because in the end it would have been so much better in the long run. Now he is in the situation he is in and his accomplishments will be question.

So how did Floyd "juice?"