Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[Slip Stream]

You tried unsuccessfully to squirm out of that.

You said: Size matter? Questioning gloves? Picked someone 3 weight classes and Floyd still came in over the limit.
Again, you who are using this to defend him and you using blinders, will certainly look the other way but your hero took the easiest route available and that is to say, tried the best he can to take any or all advantages away from his opponent while making sure that Floyd keeps his. In other words, YES Floyd is capable of doing all that and has done all that even though you tried to make it sound that Floyd is above all that.

So just like you couldn't even admit to all that then you certainly will not be the one to ask to solve the puzzle even though the pieces are right there in front of you.

Start with Ellerbe and Floyd interview. Listen to their lame excuses. verify if it makes sense. If it does not then you need to begin to question the real motive for the IV. I have and others have.

Again, objectively speaking. Floyd was NOT dehydrated to the point that he required an IV. At best, Floyd was looking for an advantage. At worst, he was delaying or masking PEDs use. Either way, it was wrong.


Again, you are misinformed about PEDs and talent.
Heredia: There is no doubt about it. The difference between 10.0 and 9.7 seconds is the drugs.

SPIEGEL: Can drugs make anyone into a world record holder?

Heredia: No, that is a misapprehension: “You take a couple of tablets today and tomorrow you can really fly.” In reality you have to train inconceivably hard, be very talented and have a perfect team of trainers and support staff. And then it is the best drugs that make the difference. It is all a great composition, a symphony



SPIEGEL: Why did you begin doping?

Heredia: ....... Then I had an injury but I wanted to qualify for the Olympic team anyway. Doping became to me what it is for most athletes: part of the sport. If you train for 12 hours today and your trainer expects you to train for 12 hours again tomorrow, you dope. Otherwise you can’t do it.




SPIEGEL: Do you have any other secrets?

Heredia: Oh yes, of course. There are tablets for the kidneys that block the metabolites of steroids, so when athletes give a urine sample, they don’t excrete the metabolites and thus test negative. Or there is an enzyme that slowly consumes proteins - epo has protein structures, and the enzyme thus ensures that the B sample of the doping test has a completely different value than the A sample. Then there are chemicals that you take a couple of hours before the race that prevent acidification in the muscles. Together with epo they are an absolute miracle. I’ve created 20 different drugs that are still undetectable for the doping testers.

Didn't really read my post did you? If you find yourself continually trying to tear a fighter down, you have to ask yourself why that is? If you aren't capable of that sort of introspection, carry on...

[M Bison]

Floyd is clean and innocent pls believe me said the fl0mo

[The Big Dunn]

I keep checking the news and do not see anything regarding this. There hasn't been anything on this since the day after Floyd fought.

Moving on.

[Zaroku]

Exactly! The rationale keeps changing as the months wear on. It's a multiple choice as to why Mayweather should be denied an easy win against Pacquiao:

A. Manny won the fight (Manny's take before he left the bubble of the boxing ring.)
B. He had a torn rotator cuff so he couldn't punch like he wanted to
C. Manny won the fight in slow motion replay
D. Floyd was on roids
E. All of the above

A lot of Pac's fans choose E of course because in their minds it's perfectly logical to hold contradictory positions on the same fight. Mind you this is a guy that's lost 3 out of his last six fights, and one of those losses he did his level best to imitate a victim at a crime scene, minus the tape. Even with this record some folks still believed he could beat Mayweather. But when Floyd wins easily instead of just giving him props, they instead chose to go to great lengths to furiously attack his credibility as if that could take away the pain of Manny's humiliation.

So I feel ya. If the situation were reversed, no one would bat an eye because they would be to happy with the outcome.

Thank you! For getting what I have been trying to communicate to boxing fans.
I may be a bit sarcastic, but it is getting a bit silly, zits on his back, holding, too much mobility, IV, hauser, shoulder pain, Area 51(this is mine) etc etc.

Nothing will change. 8 rds to 4, in slow motion or not, low action fight, but Floyd won.

[Lester Tutor]

I keep checking the news and do not see anything regarding this. There hasn't been anything on this since the day after Floyd fought.

Moving on.

probably because the BWAA is contemplating Hauser's resignation...

[Zaroku]

I keep checking the news and do not see anything regarding this. There hasn't been anything on this since the day after Floyd fought.

Moving on.

No! How can that be? If PAC lost, then obviously somebody must have cheated? At least cheated him in some way??

It must be brought before congress!! Manny is a congressman, so it should be brought to the American congress.

Why is the media not covering this? Does Floyd control everyone??

OMG!

Get PAC the khan fight so he can destroy the glass chin, and let PAC retire.

[Lester Tutor]

Like the rest of the FLoyd fans you are quick to say your say without reading what this was about.

The poster said that Floyd was too good skill wise and not the type of person who would cheat or even required to cheat. Floyd fans also told me that Lance was a bad guy and not a good example.

Well, I showed a picture of Floyd being brought to jail. So he is not the model citizen either.
Well, the Memo Heredia interview was to point out that the expert in this said that you need to work hard, be very talented and take PEDs to separate you from the pack. So I pointed out that too.

The other stuff Memo said was bonus. It showed there was ways to circumvent testing in an Olympic testing so don't think it can't be done especially if you can use an IV, delay giving samples, sign a contract whenever you want thus shortening the time frame and knowing when testing begins. Knowing by experience when is the last day of blood testing close to a fight. YOUR team paying the testers is different too since you want to bring up differences.

The reason that there is this sticky thread is because Floyd's in a scandal .... and the approach taken, that you are trying to elevate, is the issue!!! Floyd even was allowed to opt out at his convenience. How convenient!

''Floyd fans.'' I don't play that game. Even if Pac or Floyd never fought, there would still be this ''Floyd fans.'' I go by empirical record and what I see the screen when two fighters engage. If Floyd had the same record today but with a small KO ratio I'd opt for a different fighter. However, Floyd has proven his initial stardom as an all time great. We all know about his hands, and we all know that many fighters moving up in weight are challenged for more KO percentage. It just gets harder. Same thing with Pac.

For what the other person said that Floyd doesn't ''need'' I don't agree... because I can't speak for any boxer. HOWEVER, I go by the results given to the public and historical consistencies regarding rigorous testing said by X boxer. Just because Floyd demands a high level of testing outside the norm why is it so quick to judge him of skepticism? Cowardice from the B side. All Floyd ever wanted was for Top Rank goons to go through WADA style testing since the advent of their bouts. It's on record. My documentary will lay it out beautifully. Top Rank declined throughout the years and maliciously - with the help of good lawyers - successfully clinched Floyd with a libel suit which wasn't even a case but a settlement. This way they could fool the public in creating this drama in which Floyd could never speak about Pac with SKEPTICISM because it's ''libel.'' How ironic huh? I'm not a dumb American. I don't fall for this crap propaganda most people follow.

It's already been addressed. You're pointing pictures of Floyd's arrest, yet you don't criticize Pac's bought out votes in his country, which was fact, but that he knew nothing about, the same guy that drank, coke, ****ing chicks... etc... Again, don't lay out double standards please. Easy breezy. Pac's no angel. In fact, Pac's is an authentic liar on record. We call that excuses.

Regarding Memo Heredia... who cares about that guy. How much of a percentage do we need to lay out Ariza on Pac's team? What about Roach and James Toney? Don't you think it's immature to fool the public that by bringing Ariza he would think that it wouldn't bring the attention and theory you all bring up? When was the last time Pac KO'd sometime with Ariza still on board?

Again, you yourself don't even have a theory regarding your referencing for the advantage of May 1st - May 2nd. How do you mask that under the testing done for May-Pac? Or are you just gonna bring up generalization about Memo's statements for Olympic training. Hence, ''training.'' You might as well bring up Victor Conte if you want to mention or reference Olympic PED use. Memo is amateur compared to Conte's knowledge.

[Zaroku]

He looked and still looks pretty unusual, not "scientific" by any stretch of the imagination but I got nothing to work with, and neither do you.

I feel you about the head/hat size thing on PAC! Just an observation. If Marquez would have knocked out some teeth in that near death KO of PAC! Didn't measure his head, but...

Manny could have been a PAC- O- lantern for Halloween!

[GTTofAK]

He was a founding consultant to VADA. He denies any ownership interest in VADA.

So he set up Berto and Peterson to get busted by VADA?

[GTTofAK]

Well is it a secret or not? Is Floyd secretly doping and everyone is covering up for him or not? What is the leak by the way, the stuff they freely told Kevin Iole the day before, day of, and day after the fight? That's the big secret, stuff they were freely sharing with the press?

Who is "they". You dont know what Iole's source was. Was it probably someone within USADA? Yes I believe so. Was it an official release by USADA? No.

Dont forget how much this story has changed. The original leaks said that the tester found evidence of an IV. Months later USADA invents some story about the tester knowing all the time and some paramedic being called and delivering the IV.