Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[IR0NFIST]

Your point is pretty pointless since Mayweather has a history of working very hard and intensely for every fight. The only reason Mayweather mentioned his urine being dark is because a reporter (Iole) specifically asked about him needing the IV (which was originally told to him by USADA).

Your last paragraph once again makes no argument. Come back when you got some facts that's not owning yourself again.

Here's a fact, Pacquiao was subjected to the same stringent testing as Floyd, yet didn't experience any dehydration issues or require excessive amounts of saline to rehydrate. The only one who's owning himself is you for putting so much trust in serial domestic violence offender.

[radioraheem]

Here's a fact, Pacquiao was subjected to the same stringent testing as Floyd, yet didn't experience any dehydration issues or require excessive amounts of saline to rehydrate. The only one who's owning himself is you for putting so much trust in serial domestic violence offender.

In case you have no idea, but both Pacquiao and Mayweather are two separate individuals. One physical issue happening with one, and not the other is meaningless. Mayweather didn't need Todoral or Lidocaine, and Pacquiao didn't need to call a Paramedic for dehydration. And yet both underwent random drug testing. One doesn't have anything to do with the other, and vice-versa.

Well, there you go, finally a fact. That Mayweather is a domestic violent offender. But somehow this has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

[IR0NFIST]

In case you have no idea, but both Pacquiao and Mayweather are two separate individuals. One physical issue happening with one, and not the other is meaningless. Mayweather didn't need Todoral or Lidocaine, and Pacquiao didn't need to call a Paramedic for dehydration. And yet both underwent random drug testing. Once doesn't have anything to do with the other.

Well, there you go, finally a fact. That Mayweather is a domestic violent offender. But somehow this has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Once again, you're attempting to draw similarities between an organized, calculated procedure like USADA drug testing, to the unpredictable aspects of a sparring session.

Both Pacquiao and Floyd have contrasting fighting styles, the odds of a defensive "health comes first" fighter like Floyd suffering the same injury as an aggressive offensive fighter like Pacquiao in the exact same manner would be few and far in between, there are too many intangibles to consider.

On the other hand, the USADA testing has no difference. Both Pacquiao and Floyd were subjected to the same stringent testing procedures, yet for some odd reason, Floyd was the only one who was suffering from "dark urine" and required an excessive amount of saline to rehydrate.

[ADP02]

This is easily your worst post.

You wrote all of that and said absolutely little. You even spent half that time talking about 'contribution.' Again, you owned yourself when you stated that Mayweather and Ellerbe used giving blood and urine samples as the reason behind dehydration. But in reality, Mayweather did not use that as a reason. He first says his urine was very dark, extremely dark, and that it was probably due to over training. Dark, and extremely dark urine, is indicative of significant dehydration.

Next, you are only making a conspiracy that the Retroactive TUE was given for as a loophole, particularly to mask some phantom PED with 750 ml of saline and multivitamins. Obviously the Paramedic on-site and USADA felt it was necessary. On the WebMD website, they also indicate that hydration via IV is generally given for significant dehydration. And being that you weren't with Mayweather, you can't disprove the extent of his dehydration.

Pointing out that most professional boxers rehydrate via IV shows that it is permissible under NSAC rules. Next, it also shows that you might as well accuse 90% of professional boxers of masking PED usage since they rehydrate via IV, and by using way more quan****** than what Mayweather used. Throwing on 10 lbs to 20 lbs of fluid overnight.

No, the problem is that I'm realizing that I'm giving you more credit than you deserved. My post? Your weekend of postings took a dive! You still can't admit to making a mistake on what "contributed to" means even with the provided definition, example and link!

You did it again. Explain to us all why you say that Floyd was excessively dehydrated if:
- Floyd admits to always making weight easily
- Floyd's weight was 146 before the IV
- Floyd's weigh-in is as steady as his other previous weigh ins for WW. That is, at or around 146. See below.
- Floyd's weight at 30 day mark was at 150.5. Further disproves any kind of excessive dehydration by Floyd.
- USADA said took over 7 hours to get urine sample. So Floyd was supposedly dehydrated much longer than that. So plenty of time to correct this supposed problem. If it was an emergency, why did it take so long to resolve? Why wait for an IV? Sorry but it just does NOT add up.
- On May 1st no intense workouts are done. Workouts have tapered off for a while now. Considering again that there are no weight issue, most athletes would know that an IV would therefore not be required. Radioraheem does not get this or does not want to get this point unfortunately.
- Floyd said giving blood and urine contributed to Floyd's dehydration but Floyd didn't give blood for about 10 days and no, giving urine does not dehydrate you. Radioraheem does not want me to bring it up BUT Floyd and Ellerbe did!
- Floyd is seen drinking lots of fluids throughout the weigh in event. Even during interviews.


Notice that there was no difference with Floyd's weight against Manny compared to any of his fights since he came back from retirement. You do not need to be an expert to realize that Floyd was NOT excessively dehydrated but continue with your line because it does make the rest of us realize your failure at capturing the obvious again and again.
Floyd's weight against:
- Berto - 146
- Manny - 146
- Maidana 2 - 146.5
- Maidna 1 - 146
- Guerrero - 146
- Oriz - 146.5
- Mosley - 146
- Marquez - 146

I mentioned above 3 of 4 points that Floyd used as reasons that pointed to dehydration. None makes sense since, no blood, no urine, and no intense workouts occurred on May 1st. Floyd is experienced enough to know that an intense workout is not beneficial to you and can actually be harmful to you so close to the fight but Radioraheem may still bring this point up again.

So all you are left with is "dark urine" but I had very dark urine the other day after sitting at my desk for too long due to excessive work. When I eventually got up to urinate, guess what? It was extremely dark! Was I dehydrated? Possibly needed to drink some water but lucky for me, no IVs required.

Keep them coming RR .......



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[radioraheem]

Once again, you're attempting to draw similarities between an organized, calculated procedure like USADA drug testing, to the unpredictable aspects of a sparring session.

Both Pacquiao and Floyd have contrasting fighting styles, the odds of a defensive "health comes first" fighter like Floyd suffering the same injury as an aggressive offensive fighter like Pacquiao in the exact same manner would be few and far in between, there are too many intangibles to consider.

On the other hand, the USADA testing has no difference. Both Pacquiao and Floyd were subjected to the same stringent testing procedures, yet for some odd reason, Floyd was the only one who was suffering from "dark urine" and required an excessive amount of saline to rehydrate.

It is absolute comedy how illogical your entire post is.

Again, Pacquaio and Mayweather are 2 completely separate individuals who can and do have unique physical ailments. Their physical ailments or issues have absolutely nothing to do with random drug testing. Thus, comparing Floyd suffering from dehydration with Pacquiao not suffering from dehydration is very foolish. And Pacquiao having any ailments, whether shoulder, cramps, etc, is foolish to compare with Mayweather who possibly didn't suffer from shoulder, cramping, etc.

[ADP02]

I understand, but there's no "deflection" here, just reflection. Manny Pacquiao was more than a fighter to some, he was their repository of utter unfounded belief. Some fans looked at Manny as the one who would silence mouthy brilliance and finally put Mayweather in his place. He failed to do so. But let me be honest and admit Mayweather is a repository of sorts as well, so are all sport figures. But in this relationship of idol and fan, lest we forget, there's a euphoria that plays into our perceptions as well.

"But I think I won the fight, but I hurt my shoulder," but Mayweather had an IV....

Maybe you are being honest and it was not a deflection.

No problem but others have done that. Since this scandal, Floyd fans have used all kinds to deflect. From calling it a non-story, to then just a 1 day story, to then deflecting with Manny comments to Manny threads (back acne) to "well most boxers are on PEDs anyways"

[radioraheem]

No, the problem is that I'm realizing that I'm giving you more credit than you deserved. My post? Your weekend of postings took a dive! You still can't admit to making a mistake on what "contributed to" means even with the provided definition, example and link!

You did it again. Explain to us all why you say that Floyd was excessively dehydrated if:
- Floyd admits to always making weight easily
- Floyd's weight was 146 before the IV
- Floyd's weigh-in is as steady as his other previous weigh ins for WW. That is, at or around 146. See below.
- Floyd's weight at 30 day mark was at 150.5. Further disproves any kind of excessive dehydration by Floyd.
- USADA said took over 7 hours to get urine sample. So Floyd was supposedly dehydrated much longer than that. So plenty of time to correct this supposed problem. If it was an emergency, why did it take so long to resolve? Why wait for an IV? Sorry but it just does NOT add up.
- On May 1st no intense workouts are done. Workouts have tapered off for a while now. Considering again that there are no weight issue, most athletes would know that an IV would therefore not be required. Radioraheem does not get this or does not want to get this point unfortunately.
- Floyd said giving blood and urine contributed to Floyd's dehydration but Floyd didn't give blood for about 10 days and no, giving urine does not dehydrate you. Radioraheem does not want me to bring it up BUT Floyd and Ellerbe did!
- Floyd is seen drinking lots of fluids throughout the weigh in event. Even during interviews.


Notice that there was no difference with Floyd's weight against Manny compared to any of his fights since he came back from retirement. You do not need to be an expert to realize that Floyd was NOT excessively dehydrated but continue with your line because it does make the rest of us realize your failure at capturing the obvious again and again.
Floyd's weight against:
- Berto - 146
- Manny - 146
- Maidana 2 - 146.5
- Maidna 1 - 146
- Guerrero - 146
- Oriz - 146.5
- Mosley - 146
- Marquez - 146

I mentioned above 3 of 4 points that Floyd used as reasons that pointed to dehydration. None makes sense since, no blood, no urine, and no intense workouts occurred on May 1st. Floyd is experienced enough to know that an intense workout is not beneficial to you and can actually be harmful to you so close to the fight but Radioraheem may still bring this point up again.

So all you are left with is "dark urine" but I had very dark urine the other day after sitting at my desk for too long due to excessive work. When I eventually got up to urinate, guess what? It was extremely dark! Was I dehydrated? Possibly needed to drink some water but lucky for me, no IVs required.

Keep them coming RR .......

Please continue to tell us how Floyd said blood and urine samples was the reason, or better yet CONTRIBUTION, behind his dehydration. Haha. Because that was your argument, which was foolish of you to make.

Next again, Mayweather's weight does not prove or disprove that he was dehydrated. So your entire wave of paragraphs is rendered useless. Just like someone can say Pacquiao punching with both arms doesn't disprove that an arm was not injured before the fight.

Then you also have no idea if Mayweather worked out, nor do you know his training regimen. So you cannot simply say, oh he didn't work out. You have no idea if he did or not. A Paramedic was on-site, and USADA as well. They both felt the IV was necessary and acceptable. None of your conspiracy theories hold up. And if you really believe they do, which is laughable, please go take this comedy up with the proper authorities and have them do something to the big bad Mayweather.

Hell, even submit an article to BS. Maybe you can help Hauser out. It's been 2 weeks now and I hear he's got a bad case of writer's block since his article got debunked.

[IR0NFIST]

It is absolute comedy how illogical your entire post is.

Again, Pacquaio and Mayweather are 2 completely separate individuals who can and do have unique physical ailments. Their physical ailments or issues have absolutely nothing to do with random drug testing. Thus, comparing Floyd suffering from dehydration with Pacquiao not suffering from dehydration is very foolish. And Pacquiao having any ailments, whether shoulder, cramps, etc, is foolish to compare with Mayweather who possibly didn't suffer from shoulder, cramping, etc.

Two completely separate individuals that were subjected to the same stringent testing procedures.

[radioraheem]

Two completely separate individuals that were subjected to the same stringent testing procedures.

Yes, and again, both of them are unique individuals who can and do suffer from their own physical ailments. None of which has anything to do with random drug testing.

[IR0NFIST]

Yes, and again, both of them are unique individuals who can and do suffer from their own physical ailments. None of which has anything to do with random drug testing.

Are you implying that the reason Floyd was the only one who was negatively affected by the drug testing is because he's genetically inferior to Pacquiao?