Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[GTTofAK]

yeah i saw this already but any further research on this topic? athletes are always trying to find ways to beat tests, if they found new methods, i doubt they would post it no the internet however

Athletes are actually very far behind the curve on such things. Its the steroid gurus in bodybuilding and powerlifting who are at the front of it. Taking epitestesterone along with IVs to dilute the sample is an over a decade old strategy.

[bw51]

Athletes are actually very far behind the curve on such things. Its the steroid gurus in bodybuilding and powerlifting who are at the front of it. Taking epitestesterone along with IVs to dilute the sample is an over a decade old strategy.

tks for the added value on this

[IR0NFIST]

Jeff Novitzsky: Thats the primary reason. I saw it up front and center in cycling. They were using IVs of saline solution to manipulate their blood level readings, which were being used to determine if they were blood doping. It could also be used to flush a system. It dilutes blood and urine so that natural steroid profiles are very hard to read after you've taken an IV bag. That;s the primary reason. WADA also prohibits them for some health reasons. When an IV is administered, especially close to a competition, there;s a possibility of blowing out a vein or having clotting after the IV is taken out. There could be some issues with edema and swelling. If the idea is to rehydrate, its much safer to do it orally. Studies show that orally rehydrating is better for you if you're mildly dehydrated. There's two things that they show consistently. Number one, its obviously safer to put something through your mouth than put it in a needle in your vein. Number two, your perceived rate of exertion, how hard you feel you're working after rehydrating orally, is less than if you rehydrate via IV. If you rehydrate orally properly, the next day you're going to feel a whole lot better when you're exerting yourself.

Novitzky added, now that's mild dehydration. As for extreme dehydration, you probably should go to a hospital. [And] I think you need to notify the commission where you're fighting.

From his wiki page.

"Jeff Novitzky is an agent for the Food and Drug Administration investigating the use of steroids in professional sports. Before April 2008 he was a special agent for the Internal Revenue Service who investigated the use of steroids for over five years.[1] His investigations have concerned Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery, Victor Conte, Dana Stubblefield, Tammy Thomas, Melky Cabrera, Trevor Graham, Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative, Kirk Radomski, Bill Romanowski, Justin Gatlin, Jose Canseco,[2] Floyd Landis, Tyler Hamilton and Lance Armstrong."

"Novitzky has been, at times, criticized by certain defendants in steroid-related cases who perceive that he is biased and unfair.[6] However, Novitzky, in multiple cross examinations, including during the federal perjury investigation of Roger Clemens, has proved to be a credible government witness."

This guy knows his stuff. Let's see how the fl0mo's try to spin this one.

[Rath]

You mean if you remember it ''correctly.'' So you're saying ''Pac gave blood sample'' 3 days before his fight, when it was ESPN that got Pac to say that he drew blood on the day of the fight...

You answered what question? You will educate me? No kid, I'm sorry you can't, and you didn't even answer my question regarding Loma. That was the bait, because you claim that you are a boxing fan. Son, go watch tennis.

Pac gave blood samples 3 days before the fight or the day of the fight, whats your point? was he caught doping on morales 1 fight?

who cares about Loma?

if you can produce a single post that i said i am a boxing fan and not a

fan of a particular boxer, or even typed or wriiten the word Loma in any of my more than 3k posts you will get all my points plus my account. i

am not interested in your account nor your points

if not i don't want to see you here ever again you pretender.

now stop deflecting. this is the 3rd time i ask you answer the question 1706

or just zipped it and take the L

no more deflection on your reply

deflection again means you lost.


answer the question.

[boxinghead530]

Explain this photo to me.



The media seemed to have had fun with Marquez and PEDs when he put Pac to sleep. Claiming he was juicing because of "acne." Where are the reports on Pac? How come Pac never did 14-15 day blood testing - before the fight for Morales - against Floyd? He said he got blood drawn on the day of the fight which is why he claims he lost. As usual with Pacquiao it only becomes the case after the loss. Pacquiao never stated he felt week against Morales when lost while in the ring post interview. Classic Pac excuse. It takes an interview with ESPN to make it all up, a Top Rank scandal as usual. But the enemy is Floyd right? Hauser won't win. Tests came negative. I will do my own research and ask those in the medical field of masking a substance prior and after an IV on a single day with 750ml while still providing blood and urine samples the next day May 2nd, with tests frequently screned for EPO, HGH, and lastly CIR testing.

As far as im concerned PAC, Marquez and Mayweather are juicers. There is no way around it. If you are a fanboy of either one im sorry but they are cheaters aka juicers. I know it will be hard for you fanboys to accept it but its the truth. And they will go down in history as dirty fighters. So stop the finger pointing at either boxer and accept that they are all dirty. Be a fan of boxing for once or just move one. Your boys are dirty plain and simple.

[IR0NFIST]

As far as im concerned PAC, Marquez and Mayweather are juicers. There is no way around it. If you are a fanboy of either one im sorry but they are cheaters aka juicers. I know it will be hard for you fanboys to accept it but its the truth. And they will go down in history as dirty fighters. So stop the finger pointing at either boxer and accept that they are all dirty. Be a fan of boxing for once or just move one. Your boys are dirty plain and simple.

Even if that were true, Floyd is the only one who portrays himself to be a crusader for "cleaning up the sport". Throwing around terms like "Olympic style drug testing" when he's never actually took part in it. Oddly enough, he's the only one with rumors floating around about failing 3 drug tests with USADA along with using banned IVs under su****ious circumstances.

[SilverMiles]

If Floyd cheated then Manny Pacquiao drew blood on the day of his bout with Morales I which is why he lost...

As far as im concerned PAC, Marquez and Mayweather are juicers. There is no way around it. If you are a fanboy of either one im sorry but they are cheaters aka juicers. I know it will be hard for you fanboys to accept it but its the truth. And they will go down in history as dirty fighters. So stop the finger pointing at either boxer and accept that they are all dirty. Be a fan of boxing for once or just move one. Your boys are dirty plain and simple.

I think there's clear evidence against Mayweather of cheating.

Marquez is highly suspect, atleast post Manny 3.

Manny is clean in my opinion.

[elfag]

Explain this photo to me.



The media seemed to have had fun with Marquez and PEDs when he put Pac to sleep. Claiming he was juicing because of "acne." Where are the reports on Pac? How come Pac never did 14-15 day blood testing - before the fight for Morales - against Floyd? He said he got blood drawn on the day of the fight which is why he claims he lost. As usual with Pacquiao it only becomes the case after the loss. Pacquiao never stated he felt week against Morales when lost while in the ring post interview. Classic Pac excuse. It takes an interview with ESPN to make it all up, a Top Rank scandal as usual. But the enemy is Floyd right? Hauser won't win. Tests came negative. I will do my own research and ask those in the medical field of masking a substance prior and after an IV on a single day with 750ml while still providing blood and urine samples the next day May 2nd, with tests frequently screned for EPO, HGH, and lastly CIR testing.

Its been a pattern with pac after every loss. Arum and company come up with the excuses before the post fight press conference. Same thing after the mayweather lop sided loss, in the ring all pac had to say was that he was robbed and actually won the fight. After he is alone with his team for a few hours, now he has an injury and this loss doesnt even count because he was so injured.... sure.

[elfag]

Athletes are actually very far behind the curve on such things. Its the steroid gurus in bodybuilding and powerlifting who are at the front of it. Taking epitestesterone along with IVs to dilute the sample is an over a decade old strategy.

really? I thought the bodybuilder guys were never even tested, I thought only the "natural" competitions had testing.

also it dont make any sense that athletes would be so far behind... theyre not doing it by themselves, they pay people to come up with the cycle schedule and masking schedule. THey have more money than bodybuilders and can buy the best help. plus there is more to lose, for whatever reason, people have this illusion that the majority of pro athletes are not using steroids/peds, where as everyone accepts bodybuilders do. I think its the notion that steroids will make you look a certain way, that someone fat like james toney, of course isnt roiding....

[Vadrigar.]

I think there's clear evidence against Mayweather of cheating.

Marquez is highly suspect, atleast post Manny 3.

Manny is clean in my opinion.

Manny clean? He flat out refused to be tested at his peak.