True or False: James Toney's win over Michael Nunn is better than any win of Floyd's?

[IronDanHamza]

Why would you say that? Would you say he was in his prime when he fought Oscar? I know it was at a different weight and Trinidad was a better WW than middleweight, but still, he was coming off wins over some of the Hopkins victims.

I thought Taylor was an awesome fighter. I think the Chavez fights give him a bad rep.



I think Canelo is a really good fighter. But he was struggling with Austin Trout before he fought Mayweather. I definitely don't think it's the same as Pavlik who knocked out Taylor, or Tarver who knocked out Roy Jones before facing hopkins.

He just clearly wasn't the same at Middleweight, way slower especially with his feet, a lot more flat footed. Still very good just clearly not the same as a peak WW Trinidad.

Well I disagree I think Taylor's very overrated.

I don't know I just think Canelo is a better fighter than Pavlik. And I rate Pavlik (at Middleweight)

Time will tell on that. I don't disagree that's its up for debate.

[LacedUp]

He just clearly wasn't the same at Middleweight, way slower especially with his feet, a lot more flat footed. Still very good just clearly not the same as a peak WW Trinidad.

Well I disagree I think Taylor's very overrated.

I don't know I just think Canelo is a better fighter than Pavlik. And I rate Pavlik (at Middleweight)

Time will tell on that. I don't disagree that's its up for debate.

I can agree to that, but as you say, still very good.

I'm definitely believing Canelo will end up as a greater fighter than Pavlik - And I do rate it as one of Floyd's top wins. I just don't think he had hit his absolute peak when he fought Floyd. I think he didn't know exactly how he wanted to fight (not just against Floyd) but in general. He didn't look good against Trout at all before fighting Floyd. He looked really good fighting Angulo and Kirkland, so maybe it's just against technical guys like Lara, Floyd & Trout that he doesn't look so great.

Nevertheless, comparable to Pavlik - Not to Trinidad.

[The Big Dunn]

Barkley as you mentioned had beaten Thomas freaking Hearns TWICE. He'd only lost to great fighters like Kalambay & Duran for a long time. He's pretty much HOF material - Some think it's disaster he's not there.

Kalambay, OK he wasn't undefeated, I thought he was. Wins over Barkely, prime Mike McCallum, Herol graham etc. Absolutely great fighter - Also HOF material.

Starling, Tate, Curry on top of that. He was on an absolutely fantastic run! Mayweather also fought Cotto at 154 sandwiched between two welterweight fights, would that have made it less of a good win for Cotto? Not in my opinion. And of course, not that it's the same Starling/Mayweather.

I'm not using Nunn's P4P status. That's my whole point. I'm just saying he was a much more solidly established worldclass fighter, undefeated and in his absolute prime than probably anyone on Floyd's resume.

Sort of the same win as Hopkins vs Trinidad - Maybe even better.

But let's turn it around - Which is Mayweather's best win and how does it compare to Nunn?

Kalumbay HOF, come on dude. I mean you are entitled to your opinion but I disagree. Barkley, maybe.

As for Floyd's best win, I have already listed wins which I thought were comparable or better. If you disagree, fine. Nunn was on a good run, was 36-0, and had beaten some very good names. Just scrutinize those wins the same way you do floyds.

Kalumbay and Barkley are very good wins. how is Nunn beating Starling better than Floyd beating JMM? How is Nunn beating Curry better than Floyd beating hatton? when Nunn beat curry, was Curry better than ODH was when Floyd beat him? was curry even a quality win at MW or was it more like Manny beating Margs at JMW? he beat Roldan in Juan's last fight, he was 33 and had like 75 fights.

Are you really sure Nunn's run was as great as you posted?

[!! Shawn]

Yeah even Bradley 1 he showed signs of slipping. Manny's average punch output almost halved from his peak of <2009 and maybe 2010.

How do you think the fight would have gone if it happened after Cotto?

Mannys last PRIME prime fight was Cotto.

[!! Shawn]

Toney's win over Nunn was an big upset, Floyd has never been that much of an underdog to any opponent so he couldn't have a "better" win.

The truth is Manny, Corrales and Mosley were rated as high or higher than Nunn was when floyd fought them.

Mosley? Mosley was considered shot before the Margarito win, which he miraculously pulled off, thanks in part too them finding what made Margarito Margarito... the plaster... then Floyd gets him after over a year layoff...?

And you are saying that is as good as Nunn?

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So if Shane at 39 was as Good as Nunn, how much better than Nunn was a prime Mosley?

[The Big Dunn]

Mosley? Mosley was considered shot before the Margarito win, which he miraculously pulled off, thanks in part too them finding what made Margarito Margarito... the plaster... then Floyd gets him after over a year layoff...?

And you are saying that is as good as Nunn?

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So if Shane at 39 was as Good as Nunn, how much better than Nunn was a prime Mosley?

shane was rated about as high p4p as Nunn was when Floyd beat him, that is all I posted and that is true. I did not say or imply he was in his prime nor undefeated like Nunn.

When SHane was prime he was in a completely different class than Nunn.

[IronDanHamza]

I can agree to that, but as you say, still very good.

I'm definitely believing Canelo will end up as a greater fighter than Pavlik - And I do rate it as one of Floyd's top wins. I just don't think he had hit his absolute peak when he fought Floyd. I think he didn't know exactly how he wanted to fight (not just against Floyd) but in general. He didn't look good against Trout at all before fighting Floyd. He looked really good fighting Angulo and Kirkland, so maybe it's just against technical guys like Lara, Floyd & Trout that he doesn't look so great.

Nevertheless, comparable to Pavlik - Not to Trinidad.

No not compared to Trinidad. I never compared to two.

I compared him to Pavlik and Tarver.

[LacedUp]

Kalumbay HOF, come on dude. I mean you are entitled to your opinion but I disagree. Barkley, maybe.

As for Floyd's best win, I have already listed wins which I thought were comparable or better. If you disagree, fine. Nunn was on a good run, was 36-0, and had beaten some very good names. Just scrutinize those wins the same way you do floyds.

Kalumbay and Barkley are very good wins. how is Nunn beating Starling better than Floyd beating JMM? How is Nunn beating Curry better than Floyd beating hatton? when Nunn beat curry, was Curry better than ODH was when Floyd beat him? was curry even a quality win at MW or was it more like Manny beating Margs at JMW? he beat Roldan in Juan's last fight, he was 33 and had like 75 fights.

Are you really sure Nunn's run was as great as you posted?

Of course Kalambay is HOF material! Took Mike McCallum's 0, perhaps even beat him twice. beat steve collins, beat herol graham twice, beat iran barkely. Other good guys like sims and dewitt too. Amazing fighter.

Now you're talking about something I never said. I never said Nunn beating Curry was better than Floyd beating Hatton and which other examples you're mentioning. But Nunn beat all of those guys. We're talking if Floyd has better wins than Toney's win over Nunn, not whether Floyd has better wins than Nunn's singlular wins.

If Floyd beat someone who was coming off six consecutive victories over guys like tate, curry, roldan, starling, barkley and kalambay - Then it would have been comparable to Toney's victory over Nunn. But has Floyd beaten someone coming off 6 consecutive top wins incl. one or two HOFamers and unbeaten? If so, I'd like to know who it is, because I don't remember it.

No not compared to Trinidad. I never compared to two.

I compared him to Pavlik and Tarver.

Sorry my mistake. Still don't think he was comparable to Tarver.

[LacedUp]

shane was rated about as high p4p as Nunn was when Floyd beat him, that is all I posted and that is true. I did not say or imply he was in his prime nor undefeated like Nunn.

When SHane was prime he was in a completely different class than Nunn.

But it's true that Shane was considered over the hill before Margarito and had one fantastic performance left in him.

He was clearly not considered as solid as Nunn despite what a P4P list would say.

[The Big Dunn]

Of course Kalambay is HOF material! Took Mike McCallum's 0, perhaps even beat him twice. beat steve collins, beat herol graham twice, beat iran barkely. Other good guys like sims and dewitt too. Amazing fighter.

Now you're talking about something I never said. I never said Nunn beating Curry was better than Floyd beating Hatton and which other examples you're mentioning. But Nunn beat all of those guys. We're talking if Floyd has better wins than Toney's win over Nunn, not whether Floyd has better wins than Nunn's singlular wins.

If Floyd beat someone who was coming off six consecutive victories over guys like tate, curry, roldan, starling, barkley and kalambay - Then it would have been comparable to Toney's victory over Nunn. But has Floyd beaten someone coming off 6 consecutive top wins incl. one or two HOFamers and unbeaten? If so, I'd like to know who it is, because I don't remember it.



Sorry my mistake. Still don't think he was comparable to Tarver.

My point is I disagree with you calling those 6 wins top wins, especially, Roldan, Curry and Starling at MW. I have no issue with Tate, Barkley and Kalumbay-except you saying he should be in the HOF.

Roldan was in his 75th or so fight and he retired after the loss. Starling went up from WW to MW and went back to WW after the loss. Curry at MW is 2 fights removed from losing to Rochet. this wasn't WW curry.

I think the points I am raising are fair.