True or False: James Toney's win over Michael Nunn is better than any win of Floyd's?

[Robbie Barrett]

Yeah because it proves Nunn was a better fighter?

what part is it you don't get?

Again, which great fighter in his prime did Mayweather beat easy?

A better fighter than Toney? I agree. Just like Lewis was a better fighter than Rahman, is Rahmans win over Lewis a great win? I don't see many people calling it great, more lucky than great.

[LacedUp]

A better fighter than Toney? I agree. Just like Lewis was a better fighter than Rahman, is Rahmans win over Lewis a great win? I don't see many people calling it great, more lucky than great.

No, better fighter than those guys who gets bested 12-0 by others.

It proves Nunn was an absolute top fighter that he couldn't just get outpointed with ease.

Are you comparing Rahman's fluke win with Toney? Or Nunn? Either or, it's a completely ridiculous comparison.

[Doritos]

Floyd has many wins comparable to Tarver and Pavlik.

Does he? Such as? What fighter did Floyd jump two weight classes for and dominate in that fighters prime whilst Floyd was in his early 40s? What prime knockout artist where Floyd was a massive underdog did he beat in his mid 40s?

Floyd has no wins comparable to either. I'm not a Floyd hater either, he's undefeated, the most successful boxer of this generation and watching him fight over the years has been nothing but an honour to witness, his defensive skills are astounding as is his speed and footwork. At the lower weight classes he was a ferocious combination puncher who methodically drilled his opponents into submission.

Welterweight "Money" Mayweather hasn't lived up to the reputation he laid the foundations for in his earlier career though, sadly. I don't think he fought a single prime Welterweight without some form of stipulation in his favour involved.

[IronDanHamza]

Does he? Such as? What fighter did Floyd jump two weight classes for and dominate in that fighters prime whilst Floyd was in his early 40s? What prime knockout artist where Floyd was a massive underdog did he beat in his mid 40s?

Floyd has no wins comparable to either. I'm not a Floyd hater either, he's undefeated, the most successful boxer of this generation and watching him fight over the years has been nothing but an honour to witness, his defensive skills are astounding as is his speed and footwork. At the lower weight classes he was a ferocious combination puncher who methodically drilled his opponents into submission.

Welterweight "Money" Mayweather hasn't lived up to the reputation he laid the foundations for in his earlier career though, sadly. I don't think he fought a single prime Welterweight without some form of stipulation in his favour involved.

Pavlik....at 170 lbs.

I would say Corrales and Castillo are arguably just as good if not better.

Pacquaio is defintely better than both and I'd make an argument for Canelo aswell.

Probably some others that I've forgotten.

I wouldn't say Pavlik was any better than beating Hatton or atleast it's arguable.

[IronDanHamza]

But it was a cracking KO over a champion with an iron chin. Not A+ win, but still a good win. I also said when he wasn't totally over the hill - of course not the same as beating Armstrong at this best, but just before someone came and said Armstrong was shot which he wasn't.

There's a point, but Meldrick Taylor in my opinion was a top class win.

But he said those guys didn't have top wins? I wasn't comparing him to Floyd. Hopkins does have top wins, specifically Trinidad obviously. Just mentioned Tarver and Pavlik as top wins too - Not in the Nunn class obviously. And I agree Mayweather has many wins like that.

I didn't mention Tszuy, he did!



Tszuy shouldn't even be mentioned in this discussion, hence I'll let it be. Nobody considers him in the same stratosphere as a Mayweather, let alone a Sugar Ray Robinson.

I'm not saying he's an ATG, but Taylor was an awesome fighter at his absolute peak who Chavez beat. If he hadn't lost to Chavez who knows what would have happened.

Lol, Gavilan and Robinson fought in '48 & 49' or something like that.

Trinidad was prime and undefeated. There's absolutely no doubt he was in his prime.

I know you didn't mention Tszyu mate that was just my thoughts on it Not in response to you.

I would say Trinidad most definitely was not in his prime when Hopkins fought him.

I always thought Taylor, like most fighters with extremly fast hands and Atheltic ability, was very overrated. Good fighter of course very good but not really that good in regards to how we're talking here.

There's no point even talking about Robinson obviously his resume is absolutely stellar.

[LacedUp]

Pavlik....at 170 lbs.

I would say Corrales and Castillo are arguably just as good if not better.

Pacquaio is defintely better than both and I'd make an argument for Canelo aswell.

Probably some others that I've forgotten.

I wouldn't say Pavlik was any better than beating Hatton or atleast it's arguable.

I'd like to hear the argument that Canelo is just as good as Tarver or Pavlik.

Even if Pavlik was at 170.

Pavlik also fought Taylor @ 170 before Hopkins.

[IronDanHamza]

I'd like to hear the argument that Canelo is just as good as Tarver or Pavlik.

Even if Pavlik was at 170.

Pavlik also fought Taylor @ 170 before Hopkins.

Nah, they fought at 165 I think. Defintely not 168.

Not saying it's definite I just think that Canelo is as good a fighter as those two. I don't really rate those two that highly.

[LacedUp]

I know you didn't mention Tszyu mate that was just my thoughts on it Not in response to you.

I would say Trinidad most definitely was not in his prime when Hopkins fought him.

I always thought Taylor, like most fighters with extremly fast hands and Atheltic ability, was very overrated. Good fighter of course very good but not really that good in regards to how we're talking here.

There's no point even talking about Robinson obviously his resume is absolutely stellar.

Why would you say that? Would you say he was in his prime when he fought Oscar? I know it was at a different weight and Trinidad was a better WW than middleweight, but still, he was coming off wins over some of the Hopkins victims.

I thought Taylor was an awesome fighter. I think the Chavez fights give him a bad rep.

Nah, they fought at 165 I think. Defintely not 168.

Not saying it's definite I just think that Canelo is as good a fighter as those two. I don't really rate those two that highly.

I think Canelo is a really good fighter. But he was struggling with Austin Trout before he fought Mayweather. I definitely don't think it's the same as Pavlik who knocked out Taylor, or Tarver who knocked out Roy Jones before facing hopkins.

[therealpugilist]

Anybody can luck up and win a fight that they were not supposed to for one big win in their career

its like saying has Buster Douglass win over a prime Mike Tyson is better than any of Pacquaio's wins....does that really matter, when you have a better overall body of work??? Manny has a better resume and beat better overall competition than Tyson so what does that kinda question really prove?

[IMDAZED]

Pavlik is nowhere near as good a win as Corrales or Castillo. Actually, it's not as good as most of Mayweather's top wins.