After beating Joe Frazier and George Foreman in 74, Ali fought Chuck Wepner

[ИATAS]

Comparing different eras is ******

Not really. I mean at that time Ali was even being dragged into the whole boxing vs MMA talk (they didn't call it back then) just like Floyd is with Rousey right now, only the difference was Ali had NO SHAME when it came to money and actually fought Antonio Inoki in a bizarre boxing vs mma match in 1975, just so that Ali could make $10 million dollars or whatever it was he paid, a circus act that everyone involved in wanted to forget about!

[FrankieBruno]

If Ali is so much better than Floyd doesn't that make him fighting Chuck Wepner even worse?

Wepner was awful, man. As bad as the heavyweight division is now, he wouldn't even make top 50. When Foreman only had 3 total pro fights, he knocked out Wepner in a couple of rounds. That's how bad he was, just some guy very young guys fight in their first few matches.

and look how many ATG's and legends Ali fought after Chuck Wepner

Floyd would have to comeback and fight Triple G at middleweight (no cw) and that still wouldnt make him comparable to Ali

Ali was a man, who fought in a tough era, who had a extremely tough life, with social and economical odds stacked against him

Also Foreman was favoured to beat Ali. Floyd went in as favourite against Manny. Foreman was a killer, a man in his prime, Manny was a over the hill boxer who had been put to sleep by JMM.

You sick freak, how dare you compare a woman beating thug, with a small penis to a God like Ali...how bloody dare you.

[ИATAS]

Here is the problem with this comparison. Ali fought 4 times in 1975. When you are fighting 4 times in a year you are allowed a soft touch fight. Not when you are only fighting twice a year.

In 1975, Ali fought Chuck Wepner, Ron Lyle (who was coming off a loss to Jimmy Young) and Joe Bugner. So in all of 1975, he fought two bums and one ok opponent. That set up Joe Fraizer of course. Unfortunately for Mayweather, there isn't really anything for this to set up.

The only other problem is as mentioned is the money. If you are making the type of money Floyd is and CHARGING the Fans the type of money Showtime is then you have to do better than this ****.

The Ali vs Wepner fight was shown on closed circuit TV in 150 locations.

The last problem is this is supposedly Floyd's last fight. If that is the case and he is TBE as he claims to be then he should be shooting for greatness in his last fight not taking a 'stay busy' type fight, especially as Floyd isn't a guy that has taken a lot of damage over his career.

Put in the context above this fight is garbage.

It's not going to be his last fight. If it is, sure it would end on a weak note but it's his career.

[Eff Pandas]

Great post. Still can't act like I give any f#cks about this fight, but for the people hating super strong just go look at some of the great fighters of past eras & see what they did. Lotsa soft touches, lotsa oddly timed opposition, lotsa fights you wouldn't have been a fan of back then if you were around.

[ИATAS]

and look how many ATG's and legends Ali fought after Chuck Wepner

Floyd would have to comeback and fight Triple G at middleweight (no cw) and that still wouldnt make him comparable to Ali

Ali was a man, who fought in a tough era, who had a extremely tough life, with social and economical odds stacked against him

Also Foreman was favoured to beat Ali. Floyd went in as favourite against Manny. Foreman was a killer, a man in his prime, Manny was a over the hill boxer who had been put to sleep by JMM.

You sick freak, how dare you compare a woman beating thug, with a small penis to a God like Ali...how bloody dare you.

This isn't helping your case on how Chuck Wepner was an acceptable opponent. Or Joe Bugner who followed.

This topic isn't debating who is greater, it's merely stating fights like Berto & Wepner aren't all that crazy and in fact are pretty common practice after big fights throughout boxing history.

[Thornton Melon]

This isn't helping your case on how Chuck Wepner was an acceptable opponent. Or Joe Bugner who followed.

This topic isn't debating who is greater, it's merely stating fights like Berto & Wepner aren't all that crazy and in fact are pretty common practice after big fights throughout boxing history.

Was Ali touting the Wepner fight as his last fight?

Did Ali have any big fights after Wepner?

[Owlzfan84]

Not the same thing. Wepner was a top 10 heavy at the time, and when he fought Wepner, Ali had beaten 6 of the other 8 men in the rankings. He then took on Lyle who was also in the top ten rankings. Ali took risks, he took on all kinds of fighters with different styles and was the man in the golden age of heavyweight prize fighting.

Also this wasn't a pay per view fight, now that term was foreign back then, but the fact that Mayweather actually expects people to pay 75 bucks for this mismatch with a lackluster undercard is borderline insane.

[The Gambler1981]

Even if it is Floyd's last fight which is certainly questionable, like every fighter goes out worse and generally speaking much worse (looking at you Roy Jones).

Who is the last really excellent fighter that retired on a big fight that they won? Lenox Lewis?

Retiring on a soft touch is not an ideal way to go out, but who really goes out on a high note in this sport?

[R_Walken]

Absolutely no idea what you're talking about in regards to Donte.

He mentioned the same thing on his show like 2 days ago


Crazy thought for sure you watched it , my bad

[FrankieBruno]

This isn't helping your case on how Chuck Wepner was an acceptable opponent. Or Joe Bugner who followed.

This topic isn't debating who is greater, it's merely stating fights like Berto & Wepner aren't all that crazy and in fact are pretty common practice after big fights throughout boxing history.

Don't move the goal post sonny jim

If you are going to compare, you have to compare everything, you cant pick and choose ur arguments

You are a typical Floyd nuthugger, who will gloss over the facts.

Soon as you compared Ali to Floyd, you opened up a can of worms..

Ali fought a man who he was suppose to lose to, according to the odds and public opinion, a man who was in his prime, a real life hard hitting killer.

Manny doesnt fit the profile of George Foreman.

Floyd has had it relatively easy throughout his career, avoided all the beasts and when he did fight a beast, it was 5 years too late and the beast was a pussieecat because JMM had already tamed him